all to own the commies and libs.

Ok. Russia still did this though.

Takes two to tango bud. Russia isn't the only ones at fault.

....yes they are, the Ukrainians want the Russians to f**k off and leave them alone! It is COMPLETE nonsense to call this a war electively chosen by both sides.

Ah yes the opinions of the naieve who hasn't realized that war is always elective, and it's always about feeding someone's pockets. Ukraine is well known for corruption and being friendly to spies and terrorists. Russia isn't any better either. I don't support Russia or Ukraine or the loss of human life in the name of profits. Neither should you.

Ukrainians are the ones who WANT to back out of the war. They want the Russians to f**k off and leave them alone. The Russians are very very very clearly the aggressors to this war in every definition there is. You are talking nonsense.

Not at all kiddo. This situation has been brewing since the end of world war 2. Many nations, not just Russia, are sick of foreign nations using Ukraine to stage black ops. Many nations are sick of NATO and UN and US lies and imperialism. People act like USA and her allies are some shiny beacon of hope while the truth is much darker. We've allowed this to happen and now it's time to pay the Putin.

Ok. So why does Russia get to take it over???????

Why does USA, UN, and NATO get to take over?

Who proved that they did? You certainly haven't.

We've had an iron ring of missiles around China and Russia four several decades. Imagine if Russia had bases and missiles all around America, and the US got tired of it. You know what we would do? Invade the f**kers most responsible for allowing free reign for foreign operatives and terrorists to stage operations against us. Sound familiar?

....we literally had a whole big thing about exactly this about sixty years ago and we decided that it wasn't a good enough excuse so we shouldn't get to take over Cuba.

Ah yes the bay of pigs invasion. Where once again US aggression and crackhead diplomacy caused Castro and Russia to team up. You know we had missiles in Turkey pointing at Russia at that time right? Castro tried to nuke us unsuccessfully a couple times, and the only reason we didn't take Cuba is because we didn't want to start another ideological war.

YEAH, BECAUSE BEING THE OBVIOUS AGGRESSOR IN A WAR IS BAD

No shit sherlock. That's the point I've been trying to make. Everyone is snowed saying Russia is the aggressor, when really this is a response to decades of aggression against Russia. And again I'll remind you, this isn't the usual kind of war, this war exists solely to grift and weaken the US government, while feeding the military industrial complex. Y'all need to stop buying into all the propaganda. Russia isn't the only one lying. Everyone else is too. There is no moral high ground in this war. Only greed and an attempt at destabilizing the west.

OK. BUT. Why should Russia get to take it over though?

EVEN BY YOUR ACCOUNT OF THE NARRATIVE, we still have an obligation to defend our ally from an outright invasion from Russia. Not a clandestine invasion behind the scenes that only you can see because you're smart enough to see the emperor's new clothes - an actual, real, open invasion, that EVERYONE can see.

You are still missing the point. This war is a contrivance designed and started solely to further enrich oligarchs. This war is only going to end when the pigs leave the trough and a business deal over who gets what is struck. It isn't about defending allies from enemies, it's about enriching oligarchs period. Which is why the reasons Putin gives walk a line between the serious and absurd and crossing more into the absurd everyday. It's all a sick game and the USA should stop playing it.

But then Russia would get to take it over. Why should Russia get to take it over?

There are these things at the end of wars, called treaties. When the pigs leave the murder for profit trough, they carve up territory and bargain for it. If Russia has a stronger bargaining position, well that's just gonna be to damn bad for Ukraine.

Also bad for us because if we send the message that being our ally is absolutely useless WE WON'T GET TO HAVE ANY

Okay, you can stop yelling and stomping your foot like a petulant little princess. There are no allies, never were. There is only an international and interconnected military industrial complex that starts wars for profits.

Wow you keep asking me the same stupid question. If Russia takes over it will be because they had a stronger bargaining position than Ukraine.

Bargaining position???? Putin isn't negotiating peacefully!!!!!

Nato lies have consequences...

I'm saying.