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Unraveling the “Neo-Nazi” Kremlin talking point. (Wall of text incoming!)

Unraveling the “Neo-Nazi” Kremlin talking point. (Wall of text incoming!) | Okay. Here’s how it works, folks. An unauthorized invasion of another country is the ultimate war crime. It’s the war crime from which all other war crimes flow. When Russia invaded Ukraine the first time (in 2014), as retaliation for the Maidan Revolution that kicked out a pro-Russian autocrat, a group of far-right assholes calling itself the Azov Battalion arose to fight Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region. To students of history, it’s no secret that warfare ends up radicalizing local populations. Worth noting as well that while the Azov Battalion are not nice people, the scale of their alleged atrocities and influence within Ukraine are wildly exaggerated by Russian propaganda for self-serving reasons. So when Russia in 2022 launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine under the pretext (in part) of fighting “Neo-Nazis,” they were really fighting a problem of their own creation — and one which wouldn’t have needed “solved” absent Russia’s prior aggression. Russia does not get to blame-shift away the foreseeable consequences of its own hostile policies. The redoubled invasion will lead inexorably to more death, destruction, and radicalization, and the last thing it will do is solve any problem. But make no mistake: This all flows, ultimately, from the Putin regime’s neo-imperialism and inability to accept a Westernizing, democratizing Ukriane. | image tagged in 5 stages of grief,neo-nazis,ukraine,russia,russian propaganda,ukrainian lives matter | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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“An unauthorized invasion of another country is the ultimate war crime. It’s the war crime from which all other war crimes flow.”

And yet the US has done the exact same thing. By your logic, we need to bring George Bush, Dick Cheney, Barack Obama, and many others before The Hague to explain their war crimes.

“When Russia invaded Ukraine the first time (in 2014), as retaliation for the Maidan Revolution that kicked out a pro-Russian autocrat”

You mean the Western backed Maidan Revolution that kicked out a pro Russian autocrat.

“Russia does not get to blame-shift away the foreseeable consequences of its own hostile policies.”

But it’s okay for the US to be the world police as long as the US is pushing for a leftist agenda.

“This all flows, ultimately, from the Putin regime’s neo-imperialism and inability to accept a Westernizing, democratizing Ukriane.”

First off *Ukraine. Second, one only needs to look at a map comparing US and Russian spheres of influence to tell which country is the neo imperialist. Not saying Russia is the good guy, I’m saying both sides have plenty of blame to go around.
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Hey, I’ve never said Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, and the rest of that crew *don’t* belong in The Hague. They grievously misled the public into a disastrous war. If not The Hague, a case for impeachment over this foreign policy disaster would have been strong.

That said, the run-up to Iraq War — as misleading and underhanded as it was — makes Russia’s run-up to the Ukraine War look like a seminar in democracy in action and international law.

Speeches were given at the U.N., votes were taken in Congress, anti-war marches occurred, op-eds were written (pro- and con-), “coalitions of the willing” were assembled, Saddam Hussein was given clear instructions for complying with weapons inspections and given final warnings.

The American people got a say in ‘04, when they re-elected Bush over Kerry. (A mistake, no doubt, but per our democratic choice, it’s an error that we now have to own as a people.)

The American people got a say *again* in ‘08 when they chose anti-war Obama over pro-war Hillary in the primaries, and then chose Obama over McCain in the general election.

Arguably, the Iraq War even affected the ‘16 election, when anti-war Trump prevailed over other “neo-con” GOP primary competitors, and then beat Hillary.

That’s how democracies function. We didn’t get it right, at first pass or even second pass, but we learned. We adapted. It shaped our politics. The experience chastened us.

Let’s just say something very different is happening in Russia. The Russian people don’t have a say or even the chance to express a dissenting view on this war. The Russian parliament is a rubber-stamp. Other parties are Kremlin toadies, true opposition is banned. Russia has no real allies in this other than practically-conquered Belarus, and the anti-American neutrality of other despotic countries like China.

I reject the idea of spheres-of-influence. It’s fuzzy and not a part of international law. You could say Taiwan is within China’s sphere of influence. You could say Vietnam and even Japan are within China’s sphere of influence.

What if they don’t wanna?

Sovereignty is a better principle.

Ukraine in the end belongs to whichever part of the world that Ukrainians decide for themselves. If they choose a future in the E.U. and perhaps one day NATO, then Russia needs to accept that, or else offer Ukrainians a superior choice.
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I wish I had the mental energy and time to be a political analyst. Up-voted. Not sure if i agree or not because an intelligent rebuttal is required.
3 ups, 2y
I somehow doubt you'd be on a meme site if you were a political analyst, lol. But same.
0 ups, 2y
remind me who it was that was screwing with Ukrainian politics in 2014 to get rid of the pro Russian guy? Oh wait, the US government was.
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    Okay. Here’s how it works, folks. An unauthorized invasion of another country is the ultimate war crime. It’s the war crime from which all other war crimes flow. When Russia invaded Ukraine the first time (in 2014), as retaliation for the Maidan Revolution that kicked out a pro-Russian autocrat, a group of far-right assholes calling itself the Azov Battalion arose to fight Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region. To students of history, it’s no secret that warfare ends up radicalizing local populations. Worth noting as well that while the Azov Battalion are not nice people, the scale of their alleged atrocities and influence within Ukraine are wildly exaggerated by Russian propaganda for self-serving reasons. So when Russia in 2022 launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine under the pretext (in part) of fighting “Neo-Nazis,” they were really fighting a problem of their own creation — and one which wouldn’t have needed “solved” absent Russia’s prior aggression. Russia does not get to blame-shift away the foreseeable consequences of its own hostile policies. The redoubled invasion will lead inexorably to more death, destruction, and radicalization, and the last thing it will do is solve any problem. But make no mistake: This all flows, ultimately, from the Putin regime’s neo-imperialism and inability to accept a Westernizing, democratizing Ukriane.