Welcome the sweet embrace of death

The thing is suicide works when those three keep kicking you down, over and over, and over again. Even at your best, they're still on you. They still bring you down and push you down. You don't know peace. You just know the pain. Suicide starts seeming like the only feasible way out of it.

Meanwhile, society tells you to grow a pair and man the f**k up.

The first thing about suicide (to my thinking) is that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. The temporary problem being that you're alive, because we all die in the end. This means that it makes sense (again, to me) to reserve it as a last resort.

If escalating grievances, confronting the offending parties directly, and removing oneself from the situation are unavailing, suicide may well serve as an act of protest as much as an escape from circumstance.

And if someone perpetually and categorically wants to leave the party early for any reason, I think that decision should be honored and supported. The criminalization of suicide sends the message that a person is a citizen before they're a sovereign individual. Fxck that shxt and the horse it rode in on, to death. (If you're clever you could set it up to look like a murder-suicide, or even a double suicide!)

I did not suicide *by myself

bruh. what? Killing yourself if anything is the selfish option. It just spreads the pain to other people. The ones you love.

Assuming there are people who love you, yes. My counterpoint is that if a person is genuinely, chronically, and irrevocably miserable, it is selfish of the loved ones to wish them to stick around in such an abject state.

For the record I am not suicidal, and it would take an absolutely monumental amount of suffering to compel me to put that emotional burden on my family. At the same time, not everyone is so fortunate to pull out of their talespin. Took being 5150d, 9 months on disability with daily group therapy sessions, biweekly 1 on 1 therapy sessions, a kick ass shrink to got me on a fucntional regimen of 5 differnt (!) meds, and the dilligent practice of cbt and dbt skills to get me functional again. Been battling that shit for 25 years but 2 years ago was the most recent brush with the void. As long as there are untried remedies, those come first. When everything else fails, I'm not sorry to say I will be pulling the fxcking ripcord.

Thats the thing though, you legit just need to look at things that aren't negative, don't let the facts drag you down and look at the future in a bright life, if you do die in the end (not by your own hands) then do everything in your power to get up and make those last moments the best they can be. I can understand why some people are so compelled to do such things and for them I feel great worry. Suicide never fixes the problem it is just "spreading the disease" so to say.

My takeaway is that it would cause the least amount of suffering if a person was to kill their loved ones before themself.

If a friend of mine who had been battling severe major depressive disorder in earnest and with marginal results decided on suicide, I would be happy for them. I'd miss em, sure, but I'd be glad that they were finally unburdened of their illness, and that they did it on their own terms.

True, but there is an option for a double win (they are freed of the illness but you still see them). It is a lot of work but you have to convince them that they are worth much much more than the grasps of death, you have to help them.

If nothing works there maybe take them to more people who also like them, hell, take them to church, take them to nature make them see the beauty of the world hiding under the veil of the cities. Disconnect them from the city and politics, that stuff only causes stress, have them watch a sunset, show them things that give awe, make them not want to leave.

If there is one thing that is the most stressful is if there is an afterlife and how what you are about to do will affect where they go. If the christian gospel is true, there is a chance you could go to hell, which is worse than their miserable life on earth. Many religions see it as sinful and affecting to your afterlife. Even if you are an athiest, in those final moments, you may wonder. It will either scare you out of it or reinforce the death.

It does take a lot of work, patience and perseverance. Even then it's a crapshoot. As often as not things cycle because nothing is truly static, rather than because meds or therapy or lifestyle are helping.

This is more in regards to your previous comment. I recognize your good intentions, but be aware that telling a person with depression that they just need to stop focusing on the negagive and start looking at a bright future is literally like telling a double amputee that they just need to stand tall and walk it off. A friend of mine in high school told me I just needed to cheer up. Funny thing, by college he was on zoloft, in spite of being a devout, church-going Christian.

Your college friend wasnt wise obviously he let himself be taken away from the path. Putting that aside though, I may have improperly explained what I was trying to say, what I mean is just to give them everything, reinforce them, give them the best love you can, and show them the beauty of the world.

In regards to your first remark in this comments, yes its a shitshow, but the end result if all goes right is truly something beautiful.

Can't dispute that he wasn't wise, though he was valedictorian and got 1600 on the SAT. (Come to think of it, that pretty much guarantees he wouldn't be wise.)

Life is very multifaceted. There's evidence to support nearly every thesis, and plenty of people choose to believe things with no evidence at all. The center of the hedge maze for me is negativity bias. The tendency to be more attuned to negativity is a trait that has been naturally selected for because helps keep us mindful of potential danger. It also keeps us moving forward because we're seldom ever satisfied.

The problem is that if life is a mixed bag where you take the good with the bad, but the bad registers with greater magnitude than a comparable positive, we are always going to be at a net negative. That's fxcked up. I'm also deeply put out by the fact that my happiest moment were when I was drunk. The positive correlation between how happy I feel and how much of my brain is shut down makes me think that homo sapiens belongs in the scrap heap of evolutionary missteps.

Are we missteps? look at what humans have accomplished in its early days, we created vast cultures with different foods and arts, we created peace, we followed religion, we invented things, we created moral standards that for the most part are higher than that of animals. We have made tools to help us take care of ourselves.

If we where to step back before world domination was the cool thing and nations where violent, we where just people surviving. How have we strayed so far from the urge to survive to the point where we no longer want to live?

Heh, coming full circle? I know I'm an outlier but whether or not I do away with myself is almost irrelevant. My real legacy, the one I decided on when I was still a boy, was not to have kids. 😁

hm. Well the best I can tell you my friend is goodluck and godbless.

I appreciate your compassion. I cannot overstate how grateful I am for your humility. If more people were able to respect the rights of others to just live (or end, heh) their own lives no matter how bewildering their choices seem, I wouldn't have been so tempted to leave the party early in the first place.

At the risk of sounding patronizing, you're one of the good ones. Thank you for raising the average. 🙏

np bro, try what I told you before you try the unimaginable.