just, y'know, look at them struggle or something.

Girls can still be tomboys while staying in touch with their feminine side and not overly emphasizing that they like masculine things. My little sister is a perfect example.

yeah ik but if the extreme examples aren't fatherless the less extreme ones definitely aren't, and also so far the only crap I've gotten is about crossdressing.

I have changed the title tho so yeah

Tomboys aren’t necessarily cross dressers. They’re a completely different animal from femboys.

yes I know, but the most extreme tomboys DO crossdress and if those extreme cases have fathers then ALL tomboys have fathers and that is kind of where the debate has gone

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