The cake analogy in the abortion debate.

Cakes do not live, nor do they breathe, this analogy is wrong

As Cerebrophage elaborated below, fetuses are not alive in a meaningful sense until at least the third trimester. And they certainly don’t breathe.

For the importance of breath to human life, see: The Bible

I am not a cake last I checked

Judging by the comment, I'd wager not a thinker either. At least, not in the abstract.

I think a lot more than you that's for sure

That wasn't meant as an insult - though you seem to think it was.

It was more of an observation to your honest comment that you said you weren't a cake. Taking you for your genuine word, it was evident to me that you cannot understand or comprehend abstract thought. Thus, not a thinker.

Granted: I did consider the possibility you were being snide, in which I gave the benefit of the doubt that you weren't. Since I don't know you, I had to give you the benefit of the doubt to the former of two considered possibilities.

You think more than me? Yea... I'm not seeing evidence of it here.

Please refrain from outright insults on this stream.. Thank you for coming by our stream. :) God bless you.

Pseudo-intellectuals like to think about how much they think. In truth, that's all they think about. Not much else. You are a good example of that. Comparing something to something else isn't deep, and while it required thought, it certainly did not require any high-level thought. Instead of playing pretend, likening humans to cakes, perhaps instead example the REALITY of the situation instead. But you seem blinded to reality, so maybe you can't. And the reality is, a baby, fetus, clump of cells, I don't give a f**k what you call it, is a person, genetically. And should have the same rights as you. I don't see why it wouldn't, it puts the same amount of thoughts into things as you do

>> Wow, a lot of projection here. I'll just mark it with (P)
Pseudo-intellectuals like to think about how much they think. In truth, that's all they think about. Not much else.
>> (P) Which explains why you're defending yourself over the topic so voraciously.

You are a good example of that.
>> (P) How?

Comparing something to something else isn't deep, and while it required thought, it certainly did not require any high-level thought.
>> Yet, you failed to do so.

Instead of playing pretend, likening humans to cakes, perhaps instead example the REALITY of the situation instead. But you seem blinded to reality, so maybe you can't.
>> (P) The issue is, you're not accepting reality, so we have to use stories so that you can understand. This approach is often found with those who have difficulty grasping concepts of varying difficulty. What surprises me is how difficult this concept is for you in spite of your evident position on abstract thought.

And the reality is, a baby, fetus, clump of cells, I don't give a f**k what you call it, is a person, genetically. And should have the same rights as you. I don't see why it wouldn't, it puts the same amount of thoughts into things as you do.
>> No, it literally does not. Until the third trimester, there is no brainwave activity. There is another state in which the body experiences this issue and is also considered "not alive" - it is called "braindead."

Let me reiterate: If you are surviving on life-support alone, and there is no brain activity, you are dead in the eyes of medicine. A mother should have more rights to her body than that of a corpse who denied request for post-mortem organ donation.
Further, your definition of personhood is arbitrary and belief-based. You are fervently choosing to violate the first constitutional right of others. Since there is no recordable evidence of a soul or consciousness beyond brainwave patterns, your definition of personhood is subjective to your beliefs and convictions, whereas someone else could take what the data tells them and acknowledge that as their belief. Seeing is believing.

I wonder if you're one of those who cry for the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion, and cry out against mask and vaccine mandates. Yet when it comes to this one nuanced topic, you buckle down hard.

Stop trying to impose your will on others over a subject that does not affect you at all.

End of discussion.