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It honestly takes more faith to be atheist than christian

How so?

Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is fascinating and I'm sure the guy was really smart but his theory came up short on one big thing.

Watson and Crick were the scientists who discovered that the DNA molecule was a double helix. Crick was an atheist. Crick was a big researcher in DNA and after this discovery he made some calculations and determined that the existence of humans through evolution is something like one in a trillion.

But Crick would lose his mind if he had to admit that God was real so his alternate theory is that aliens planted biological seeds.

I see your point though.

I just find it gutsy, after quite a bit of the world's history was based on religion and millions died for the crusades and for their religion, to say that God is a myth.

I've heard atheist's say that there is no afterlife which leads you to the questions, "Then why follow the rules?" "What's the point of morals" "Are we here for no reason?"

"Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is fascinating and I'm sure the guy was really smart but his theory came up short on one big thing"

That has nothing to do with atheism.

"after this discovery he made some calculations and determined that the existence of humans through evolution is something like one in a trillion"

Probability is often misused and misunderstood by people who say that evolution is impossible. It doesn't matter how unlikely someone thinks it is, we know it happens.

"But Crick would lose his mind if he had to admit that God was real so his alternate theory is that aliens planted biological seeds"

He wouldn't have to "admit that God was real". The evidence doesn't support that idea, and it's not a scientific hypothesis anyway.

"I just find it gutsy, after quite a bit of the world's history was based on religion and millions died for the crusades and for their religion, to say that God is a myth"

The number of people who believe something has no bearing on whether or not it's true

"I've heard atheist's say that there is no afterlife which leads you to the questions, "Then why follow the rules?" "What's the point of morals" "Are we here for no reason?" "

The point of morals is to produce a world where society can function and people can flourish. Human rules and morality come from humans, not a god. And an afterlife has nothing to do with it either.

"The point of morals is to produce a world where society can function and people can flourish. Human rules and morality come from humans, not a god. And an afterlife has nothing to do with it either."

But if there's nothing after, what's even the whole point of society? Why do anything if it's just to cease to exist?

"The number of people who believe something has no bearing on whether or not it's true"

I never said that just because there are a lot of people who believe in it means you have to believe in god. Never said that. I never implied it either.

"He wouldn't have to "admit that God was real". The evidence doesn't support that idea, and it's not a scientific hypothesis anyway."

How come studies in evolution as so many holes in them? Why can't science explain somethings but religion can?

"That has nothing to do with atheism."

Then how did humans come to be?

"Probability is often misused and misunderstood by people who say that evolution is impossible. It doesn't matter how unlikely someone thinks it is, we know it happens."

How do we know besides a book telling us?

"Then how did humans come to be?"

I don't know. But the evidence we have points to natural causes.

"How do we know besides a book telling us?"

We don't know because a book tells us, we know because we do research, testing, observations, etc. We have observed evolution happening. All the evidence points to evolution being true.

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If you think that's true, you don't understand what atheism means

I've been saying it for decades, no one believes in God more than an atheist, because with them, it's personal.

In terms of what they're saying, perhaps it's that most people are born into a religion, so therefore it's more automatic, less thought oft put into it; whereas atheism is a more involved process, and while it may seem more logic-based, some of its stances can take an almost devotional approach, a rather fervent attitude that can seem not unlike a religious one,,,

I understand

My take, obviously, I don't speak for them...

It is very much like a religion in which a person's belief (or lack thereof) of a divine being guides their life and influences their actions. I find that converts to the faith often are more appreciative and genuine of their beliefs becuase they had to work harder to come to the conclusion that changed their former way of thinking.

"It is very much like a religion in which a person's belief (or lack thereof) of a divine being guides their life and influences their actions"

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I think for most atheists, that's not what guides their life or actions. Just like people who don't believe in pixies or goblins or elves, that doesn't guide their life or actions. It's just one more thing they don't believe is real.

So it's more like they don't see God as a force or influence on their life due to him not existing? (in their mind;)

"So it's more like they don't see God as a force or influence on their life due to him not existing?"

That, plus many of them see believers as a directly negative force on their life, if they feel those believers are using their beliefs to try to control other people's lives

(I hate to play the upvote card, but it's what I do) :)

I think they're saying it's more logical to prove something does exist than something doesn't. What does atheism mean to you?

To me atheism means not having a belief in any gods. There are basically two types of atheism: hard/strong atheism and soft/weak atheism.

Hard atheism says "no gods exist"
Soft atheism says "I don't believe any gods exist"

There's an important difference there, but one which people often overlook

I don't believe any gods exist, but I can't prove it. I'm just not convinced by any of the arguments.

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That's an interesting distinction. I guess didn't realize there were levels of atheism. Thanks for clarifying.

So if there came a time someone provided solid proof or you had a personal experience beyond a doubt, then you would believe in God? Whereas a hard atheist has spoken and therefore it must be true that a God cannot possibly exist therefore God doesn't exist?

"That's an interesting distinction. I guess didn't realize there were levels of atheism. Thanks for clarifying."

You're welcome. Most of the informed, educated atheists I listen to don't make the hardline stance of "god absolutely doesn't exist and I know it for a fact!"

Yes, there's a chance, provided good evidence and logic are presented

"So if there came a time someone provided solid proof or you had a personal experience beyond a doubt, then you would believe in God?"

I don't know about personal experience, since that's subjective and can't really be proven to be real. But solid proof or compelling evidence? Yes, I would. Whether or not I would worship a god is a different subject entirely. But if it could be conclusively shown that God exists, I would accept that God exists. At the end of the day, what I care about is truth, and what's real, regardless of how I feel about it.

"Whereas a hard atheist has spoken and therefore it must be true that a God cannot possibly exist therefore God doesn't exist?"

One of the few people I know of who takes that position is an incredibly intelligent YouTuber named Shannon Q. The reason she takes that position is because she believes that every god which has been proposed has some internal contradictions in its qualities, and therefore it logically cannot exist.

There is

Creative.

Maybe you should watch the original clip.

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