Northwestern European Civilization back when it was waiting to emerge from the shadows of Asia

We still came out on top, so I don't care

Who is "we" and "on top" of what? Snow?

'We' Europeans
'On top' of them central Asian bois

"on top" of what? Being tethered to America's teat since WWII?

That's a valid criticism. European countries need to realise that the military is important if they want to remain relevant. But we're better off than the Central Asians

What military? Oh yeah, America to the rescue yet again while the 15 whole observers you send take notes of the death tallies?

The ascendency of the entire, what, 6 or 7 coastal nations in Europe in the modern era coincided with what? The Colonial Era. Once the resources of the foreign lands they invaded to strip got stripped or no longer were as easy or cheap to do so, they too faded. Much like Central Asia did with the ending of the Silk Road, which, incidentally, ended when the Colonial Era began and that was with the shipping and exploration that started with Portugal.

Difference is, Central and other Asians STILL have civilizations that faded millenia ago, as the meme displays, while guess who had grass covered piles of rocks ? But at least they have tales they can regale of Rome having invaded them once and thus beginning their history, earning them a spot on the map labeled, "Barbarus."
And that dubious distinction IS one that would be hard to top indeed.

Again, though, I think I'd rather live in Germany or the UK than Kazakhstan.
Also, European countries still have glory days they can look back on, they were just more recent (I wouldn't count that as a loss).

Also, damn, you getting pissed about Europe's military strength. I acknowledged European military disparity, and somehow that made you more pissed.

Chancellor? Yous still use that term, even after Hitler? Hey, you're the one bringing up revisonist history that revises even his revision further than he did with the mythologizing of a history that was never yours, as you have learned the last couple of days. At least he was enthralled with the real Aryans, you try to pretend they weren't who they were and are which is not you.

Hey, I get it, it sucks to be reduced to nothing but a lurker in France's shadow whose contribution to today's world is well made watches and automobiles and boiled sausage and cabbage. Oh, and beer. Can't forget Oktoberfest with Bavarians dressed in dandy lederhosen guzzling big mugs, or has that also been cancelled because the 'refugees' might get hostile with the natives again? Even the French won't take that crap from theirs. They still know how to smack back.

I live in America. Best place ever on Earth in history.
Don't like where you live? I don't blame you, it's rather dull and just sits there like a lump of vanilla pudding jiggling in a bowl. The EU allows you to move to other countries within, why not do that? Oh, wait, Brexit? The only semi-worthwhile place on that side of the Atlantic isn't an option for you anymore? Not my problem. Nor theirs.

cheers!

Yes we still use Chancellor. And the Iron cross is still a military award. And I never brought up Aryans until you started going on about them. Frankly, I don't give a f**k about Aryans, and I don't know why you think I do. 'Germany's contribution is watches, cars and Sauerkraut'. My boy. Need I remind you that Germany is the fifth-largest economy by nominal GDP, and is the economy powering the entire EU. You are welcome to insult the Germans, but at least do your research on something important, or perhaps the only thing you Americans contribute is Fast Food, country music and a bullshit political system. And don't ever start applauding the Fr*nch. They have an 8% unemployment rate, lags in competitiveness by importing more than they export, and slow economic growth.

'America. Best place ever on Earth in history'. Dang. I may be a dirty European, but at least I'm not that cynical. May I remind you that, about the guns, Switzerland does it better(Not perfect, but better), because the Swiss know how to defend their country, how to use their guns to the highest standard, etc. In my opinion, no state can have firearms being freely given around without having mandatory military service. Second, obesity. Lol Americans fat. Third. The US involves itself a lot in foreign affairs far more than Europeans, and sometimes, that's a good thing (Like with the Yugoslav wars). On the other hand, the US went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, one of which was for oil, the other being entirely reliant on US force. Finally, your political system is complete bullshit. It's a two party system, with the illusion that the two are somehow different. The Reps and the Dems are the same party.

Finally, one last thing. I have British citizenship, and I can (and do) visit Britain very often. But their politics is equally f**ked dup to yours. Germany is not more boring than the US. I mean, 36 people per square kilometre? Most of your country is desert and a few mountains. Your historical artifacts amount to some old cannon and a big obelisk. So please. Tell me why the USA is so much better.

tl;dr

You STILL haven't looked at the meme.
You didn't bring up Aryans, fella, they were brought up by the OP, as that's THE subject of the OP meme. OP, that's ME!

I don't care that Nina Hagen came from Germany or about Stollen. This meme is still about the origins of civilization still and contributions to that still, not the societal impact of bratwurst shaped hausfrau stuffed with pork, pork, and, yes, more pork and how Germany's economy which was rebuilt and (to this day) propped up by the USA so we wouldn't have a WWIII in another 2 decades after the 2nd ranks higher than its smaller Euro neighbors. Sure it sucks that the economic driver of the EU exited last yeat, but at least there's still the slow and steady non-risk taking US steadied economy of Germany so they can feel like they can collectively have something not TOOOOOOOOO far behind that of America.

I blurred through the beginning and stopped when it became apparent all you were going to bring up about the ancient civilization you have no record of is how quaint Bavarian houses and the autobahn driven to get to them make for grand tourist attractions so they have something to do while visiting Deutschland other than looking at the last remaining chunk of the Berlin Wall which is a must-see because of the speeches given there by Ronald Reagan and Kennedy. Ahh, those were the days, when zhe grande Germanic werchmacht was reduced to sitting and waiting for the American GIs to tear it down,,,

From now on, anything not pertaining to my meme will be ignored.

tl;dr

You STILL haven't looked at the meme.

From now on, anything not pertaining it will be ignored.
I don't care that Nina Hagen came from Germany or Stollen. This meme is still about the origins of civilization still and contributions to that still, not the societal impact of hausfrau

KITTY!

Not sure if you understood the meaning of "ancient." This isn't about comfy living in Post-WWII spoiled-entitled-social-welfare-out-the-wazoo Euros closing in on a century past passe.

"Europe's military strength"? Is it still an oxymoron if it isn't a thing?
Weak ineffective inept limited militaries that require US bases to protect them from the just as weak ineffective inept limited militaries of their neighbors who stand by and take headcounts as 1800 men are executed kinda don't rank as "strong."
If that gets you pissed, that's on you.

You're trolling right?

I mean, with all due respect to the Volkswagon Bug and Marlene Dietrich's Greatest Hits Vol I & II and liederhosen and weinersnitchel, what part of "Northwestern European Civilization back when it was waiting to emerge from the shadows of Asia" did you not understand? Already said Germany's had no history till Rome gave them one, so, hey, Cologne sounds awesome, but it means what in Latin again?

Try to pay attention here, the Aryans were, are, and always will a Central Asian steppe people (from the area of what is now Kazakhstan and part of Russia bordering it) which invaded what is now India and Iran as well and the basically domesticating what is now Europe which was totally hunter gatherer at the time, introducing them to the horse and wheel and agriculture.

Do look things up. Hey, you can read Max Mueller's own words on it if it makes you more comfy.

I said myself that Europe's military power is shit. Stop thinking I didn't.

I'm just saying. If you're talking about something to look back on, then Europeans sure as f**k do

tl;dr

Dodging is a totally awesome trip n all, but again, what part of "Ancient Civilization" did you not understand?
Yes, I am aware of tv and of portable minatuarized computational devices - I have both on right in front of me right now. Yes, I'm old enough to know what a record player is. Yes, I like light bulbs, I do. Yes, Wallace's Theory of Evolution is pretty nifty. Those are MODERN accoutrements. The groundwork for all came from nowhere near Deutschlandia - who are Teutons, btw, not Aryans, Teutons like the Vikings who made that grass covered pile of rocks enclosure on the right half of the OP meme. Calling them "Aryan" is like calling a Pennsylanvania Dutch Amish, "English," or a Navajo. Or a Mexican.

I'll make it easy for you with animals domesticated in Europe: the rabbit. 600AD, French Monks, as a substitute for meat during Lent. The. rabbit. Try plowing a field with that or riding one into battle. The. rabbit.

This begins to bore me a lot? We both know my questions are rhetorical and I'm the one answering the meager possible answers to them for you.

The fact that it was Ancient is completely insignificant. Is Central Asia, right now, a nice place to live? That's the question I've been trying to get you to answer, but you merely repeat the same points at me.

About the domestication, I said before. They laid the groundwork, but humanity is where we are today because of Europeans. About the Aryans, at what point did I care that they came from Central Asia? I do not give a f*ck as to where Aryans are from. And finally, read my replies if you wish to make a coherent argument

Fella, can you stop filling my notifs up with your irrelevant drivel about how awesome you think the legacy of Hitler is as Germany lurches forward on life safely esconced in the shadow of France of all countries? hahaha, FRANCE!

Don't like Middle Easterners? Good. Then maybe you should catch a clue and tell Merkel to stop letting them take over your country while you protest by not celebrating News Year's in Cologne anymore so German women won't get assualted while German men with gelatinous spines and atrophied nutcacks stand by and post on social media about how it is so utterly impolite for Syrian so-called refugees to do so and ruin the festivities.

Goodness, domestication has done y'all wonders,,,

F**king hell. I never said I support f**king Hitler. What in God's good grace made you think I support such a blatant idiot. 'Don't like Middle-Easterners?'. Don't care. Merkel isn't Chancellor anymore, Scholz is. If they ruin the festivities, or assault women, f**k them. If they're reasonable, they can have a nice day. So tell me, once and for all. Why should I, somebody living a perfectly reasonable life, give a f**k about some ancient civilization that died millennia ago? And one last thing. You think Germany lives in the shadow of Fr*nce? If anything, it's other way round, and only if you stay on the continent.

So yes, the Assyrians were ancient, and glorious, and whatever, so why don't you go to back to Turkey, or Iraq, or wherever if you love them so much.

Look, I get it, historical ignorance is a thing, but you CAN look things up, yes? You don't know where those ruins are? In the country named after the Aryans? Aran? Iran? 2nd oldest in the world? The one where all the "-stan" countries were a part There's a picture of it right there?

The Slik Road is what Central Asia was doing till the mid 15th Century when Portugal started sailing around Africa and round Asia and effectively cut out the middle man. 1000 years ago Europe was starting to crawl out of the Dark Ages, and Moorish Spain and trade in Venice were the only things of note going on there. Nothing much else till a handful of other countries beginnig with Spain followed Portugal, and thus begun the ascendancy of post-Roman Europe in the 16th Century
That was the 16th - 17th Century in Western Europe, no less! A mere 7500 years+ after Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley! Sure, it's been going downhill since the mid 20th Century, but such is the ebb and flow of civilizations

The domestication animals, plants in farming, metalurgy, architecture, sciences, math, religion past animist, rule of law, goverment, money, market economy, philosophy, and the flippin wheel, oh, and writing were all introduced to Europe from east of the Bosphorus. Europe's contribution? Leafy greens like lettuce and cabbage. Yeah, try building a society on that. Not exactly an accident that the populations of Northern Europe boomed after the potato was introduced to them from the Andes.

But hey, at least there's the delightfully rough-hewn rocks of Stonehenge, and a giant phallus carved in the side of a limestone hill in Britain. So there's that honor to pin on ye olde lapel.

cheers!

You were asking what contributions Europe has made to science, so here you go:
Complex numbers, Vieta's formulas, Copernicus's and Brahe's discoveries, modern human anatomy in the 16th century. Earth's magnetic field, telescopes, Kepler's laws of planetary motion, Galileo's laws of the falling body, use of logarithms, Snell's law, blood circulation, microscopes, the mercury barometer, the cell, disproving spontaneous generation, the practice of peer-reviewing papers, spectrum of light, calculus, measuring the speed of light and Newton's laws in the 17th century. Taxonomy, Messier objects, Uranus, anaesthesia, modern chemistry (with conservation of mass), the battery, oxygen and extinction as a fact in the 18th century. I'd go on, but once we get into the 19th and especially the 20th century, there are just, frankly, too many to list. You see my point?

So yes, Europe couldn't have made it without contributions from Islam and Central Asia, because Muslims came to the conclusion that God is nature, so by studying God, one studies nature. Christian Europe came to a similar conclusion, except that by studying God's creations, only then would they understand him. So again. Central Asia and Iran had their time in the spotlight. Keyword being had.

So with all this out of the way, I ask you. Where is central Asia now? Especially compared to Europe and the West. Would you really rather live in Iran than the UK? Or Kyrgyzstan than Austria? Because I think I know the answer

You're trolling right?

I mean, with all due respect to the Volkswagon Bug and Marlene Dietrich's Greatest Hits Vol I & II and liederhosen and weinersnitchel, what part of "Northwestern European Civilization back when it was waiting to emerge from the shadows of Asia" did you not understand? Already said Germany's had no history till Rome gave them one, so, hey, Cologne sounds awesome, but it means what in Latin again?

Try to pay attention here, the Aryans were, are, and always will a Central Asian steppe people (from the area of what is now Kazakhstan and part of Russia bordering it) which invaded what is now India and Iran as well and the basically domesticating what is now Europe which was totally hunter gatherer at the time, introducing them to the horse and wheel and agriculture.

The map, btw, highlights the so-called Yamnaya, as somewhere between the Nazis and Indian Hindis today going nationalist, "Aryan" has gotten a bit of a taint so the aim has been to get the focus away from them in order to make history more digestible for the victims of Hitler and the Dravidians alike.

Do look things up.
Hey, you can read Max Mueller's own words on Aryan origins if it makes you more comfy.

So if Europe has no history past 3 millennia ago, then please tell me any of Central Asia's history that happened in the last 1500 years? Steppe tribes essentially all the way until the Russian empire. So yes. Central Asia may have been relevant 2000 years ago, but not anymore. Europe had it's time in the spotlight for around 1000 years until WW2 turned them into wimps. The US are now having their time in the spotlight, but I can guarantee you that it won't last forever. You, just like the Europeans who settled America and the Asians who settled Europe, and to a certain extent, the Africans who settled Asia, are going to lose relevance to a group of your own making. It may take centuries, it may be only a few decades, but at some point, you too, will have to give up the baton.

However, at the end of the day, I'd rather live in a developed country with one of the highest GDP per capita than a country with a GDP per capita of under $2000 and got a 6/100 freedom ranking.

Aww, the late 18th Century were so much fun with the Germaniacs fighting each over over little itty bitty city states! Anhalt-Dessau vs Mecklenburg-Schwerin? Look out, ya'll, here comes Württemberg!

Good grief, shows a drawing of something whose photo today looks practically the same.
Ancient ruins indeed. Might as well show East Berlin before the Wall came down.

btw, you didn't tell me how it felt when you actually looked up "Aryans" for the first (and, alas, last) time in your life. Funny thing is, Dolphy and his Nazis were totally open about this, other than bogusly trying to twist their name into the name of those whom they were not. They even showed films of the taking of cranial measurements in Tibet looking for remnant populations round the ancestral homeland that wasn't theirs. Their propaganda and attempts to enlist Iran to the Axis Powers is what lead the Allies to depose Reza Shah and replace him with his son, Mohammad Reza.

Don't forget, the 18th century, a period of prosperity and culture for most European empires, as well as a period of numerous scientific advancements, without which you likely wouldn't be alive. And of course, you've somehow managed to delude yourself into thinking that, because European empires existed more recently, they're somehow less significant than the Assyrians, who fell 2500 years ago.

And, once again, I don't give even the tiniest f**k about Aryans, and I don't know why you think I do. I don't care. So stop talking about Aryans coming from Tibet and Iran, because, once again, I DON'T CARE

So why bother getting pissed about Europe's lack of military strength if you're aware they haven't any? Their days of wars over cloves and peppercorns and slaughtering millions of people they've invaded for the sake of these spices that to date, they STILL haven't introduced to their cooking have been replaced by passive 'Peace Keepers'

Look at it this way, we've been in decline since the 1960s, the last two dunderheads claiming to be at the helm have only accelerated that and made it more glaringly apparent. Sure, at least we have actual muscle to flex, but from the persective of some of our enemies in Central Asia, etc, not so much.

Why wouldn't I? Europe needs to re-arm if they want to keep any fragment of relevance. But I'm getting pissed because you're getting pissed for no reason. So please. Read my comments properly. So yes. I fully support Germany's re-armament of the Bundeswehr.

Frankly, I don't see what Central Asia has to do with anything. The Turks used to be relevant until the Portuguese learnt how to navigate better. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc are all completely irrelevant and have been for millennia. Russia past the Urals is useful only for power projection and Resources. So please, explain why I should care about Central Asia

Golly, like maybe if you keep deflecting by trying to make this silly so-called discussion about something completely contrary to the basic fact and subject illustrated by the OP meme I might eventually take the bait and say the Autobahn proves Dolphy's parasitism of other people south and east's history was no biggie because despite him being Germany's only claim to fame at least Kraftwerk was pretty nifty.

Come back to me when you post a pic of something at least slighly better than that Nordic mound of grass covered mud.

Alrighty then

Northwestern European Civilization back when it was waiting to emerge from the shadows of Asia

Asia waiting to have decent leaders, less corruption, tolerance and lower poverty levels

Almost forgot:

"Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc are all completely irrelevant and have been for millennia. Russia past the Urals is useful only for power projection and Resources"

Someone should have told Hitler and his Germans, as it was the history of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and all the other "-stan" countries AKA Iran (plus India and all the way to Tibet) that he had to borrow a history and identity from to make up for not having one, forever tainting the Aryani name with his uberstensch revisionist fantasies.

True, Russia east of the Urals is its only use because of resources which Russia proper lacks. Other than that, Russia is every bit the wasted heap of space it has always been despite 2.5 centuries of trying really hard to make something of its useless self.

Ukraine is one lone example of Europeans having guts and the ability to fight, but Russia's utter ineptitude and third rate everything is also a factor in the spiraling blunder that was supposed to be a refelction of its might, which, in fact it is, or rather, lack of, therein,,,

'Germany had no history' May I introduce you to the Goths, the Holy Roman Empire, Prussia and the German empire? Aryans live in Europe, not just in the -stans. So please, introduce me to any relevance that a single central Asian country has.

I'd just like to correct you there. Modern day Western Europeans. Those are mostly wimps. Go back 200 years and you'll find something quite different. And look in the Balkans, and you'll find the single most warlike place on Earth.

wOw, it's only meme, yet here you are getting so upset about it, you think the mirror is me.
But you know what, just to show how much I care about your distended distress I'll prove your mirror isn't me: Do hear it laughing? No? k, got that out of the way.

Germany and and a revived military is like an 85yo stomach bypass twig of an eunoch training to become a Sumo wrestler for the next Olympics, trying to swing a set of balls that he was forcefed after they got snipped off when he was 22.

As for them and Europe, relevance is irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, quacking in America's shadow is way awesome, and a heckuva bit better than being those further away from our shadow, but, alas, hanging on to our shadow IS, by definition, hanging on to our shadow.
Seriously, what are they going to do, start more wars over spices they still won't use in their delightful bowl of boiled sausage and cabbage? Lob mini nukes at villagers abroad to show how mighty as a mouse they are?

The only military and country that almost matters over there is Britain, and they've proven what a styrofoam facsimile of what they used to be with the Falklands War back in 1981, when Brits rioted in the streets of merry ol' London because the USA didn't send our fleet to rescue them from the teeth of the fiercesome Argentine forces and their BB Guns. They RIOTED. Because the bloo'y Yanks didn't fight their little king of the guano hill battle for them.

Hey, this has been all fun n stuff, but are you going to post any pics of ancient cities in your Germany to rival Persepolis? Not sure how much more of this anticipation I can take!

No ancient cities in Germany, I'm afraid. Can you tell me any composers, military geniuses, great leaders or grand artists to come out of Central Asia in the last Millenium?

okay porn account.

Persepolis is porn?

Inspired by this meme imgflip.com/i/65uc9i by imgflip.com/user/Darth_Memeus because I wanted to repost it for a comment but couldn't find it then, so made my version inspired by it.

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