Well Yes, But Actually No

What do you mean?

Lgbtq+ christians always complain that "homophobic" christians ignore god because god says to love everybody, but god also says that men and women should be together, not men and men or women and women

When did he say that? Can you give me the quote, I didn't read that part.

i dont know the exact quote, but its in genesis when he's creating the world and he creates adam and eve to be together, men and women

What happens if your not a man or a woman, or if your both?

well then you go against biology

Not sex, gender identity.

1) if you're a man, and you think you're a woman, you're not a woman. if I say I'm a television and make everyone humor me and act like I'm a television, it doesn't make me a television
2)A man could die, and 200 years later we could find their skeleton, and we would have no idea what they thought in their head but we would know they were a man because it goes down to their bones.

1: You are invalidating trans people who do actually transition genders with your stupid example.
2: Men may have a bit of a naturally larger skeleton, but there are plenty of women with larger and stronger bones as well.
3: I mean gender IDENTITY. What gender you feel like you identify with and you feel comfortable being referred to as. No, you can't identify as a television because that is a piece of technology and not a gender. If I have the body of a woman, but really don't feel comfortable with she/her pronouns and being referred to as a woman, then I am not going to identify as a woman. My sex is still female, but my gender identity is male or something else maybe. A quick google will tell you about those things too.

1) I didn't mean "down to their bones" as in their skeleton, I mean their DNA and their XX/XY chromosomes. No matter what you think, you can't change the DNA you were born with.
2) Replace the television with... let's say, a penguin.

1: I know you can't change the dna you were born with, but you can change the body you were born with.
2: Penguin is also not a gender.

Also, there are intersex people.

Alright, then give me one case where someone was naturally born (not modified or given surgery) with both male and female reproductive organs. I only need one, and if you can give me one valid case, I'm on your side.

How do you NOT know about intersex people already? Also, I am unable to link it but if you go to amnesyt.org they have an intersex awareness page. Also, you can just google it and BOOM. You know all about it.

Yes, I was previously aware of intersex people. You have also failed to provide me with a case in which someone was naturally born with both male and female reproductive organs.

Dude, all intersex people are naturally born that way.
Oh, and Cheryl Chase (also known as Bo Laurent) is intersex. Also Caroline Cossey, an english model. Happy?

About the other arguments you've made since I can't reply to them: 1) changing the body you're born with isn't natural, and your DNA still isn't changed. 2) You're missing the point with the penguin thing, and 3) Were Chase and Cossey born with both types of reproductive organs, or born thinking that? If so, show me any kind of record other than you just saying that.

1: I know its not natural, it doesn't have to be.
2: Whats the point then if I'm missing it? Explain if you want me to know.
3: They were *at birth* confirmed to have both, or at least parts of both. If you want more than just me saying it than google it or something 'cause I can't figure out how tf to link it
4: I feel like I need a break from this conversation talking to you is stressing me out.

bro so what you're saying is that I can be whatever I want whenever I want? if I implant a screen in my face then I can be a TV right? saying "you can't change DNA but you can change your body," is literally one the most outrageously obviously most stupidly ridiculous thing I've heard. DNA IS WHAT DETERMINES WHAT KINDA BODY YOU HAVE!!!! sure, I can undergo surgery, but it's harmful and can only result from mental illness. or, in the famous example of William "Leah", Thomas, wanting to beat the girls instead of the guys. I'd love it if you'd respond, but if you're too stunned into silence that's ok too

okay, then stop responding if its stressing you out

Thank you for posting this in fun, it is now ✨flagged✨ for being ✨queerphobic✨ You’re welcome, keep your harmful opinions in your close-minded circle please. Go learn the difference between s-x and gender before attempting to lecture someone on how someone can’t be a woman if they she was born a

—certain way. Or a man if he was born a certain way. Or talking as if non-binary people cannot exist.

Accidentally posted before finishing my thought, so I continued it.

I am sincerely sorry for having an opinion and wanting the truth. I just want to inform you that there is a big difference between being a harmful, oppressive jerk and having a peaceable debate. I want you to know that I am not afraid of differences, I am afraid of lies. I also want you to know that being born "a certain way" is a sugar-coated version of saying "naturally born a man", and I assume you did that so that I couldn't use it against you.

bruh I never follow memers. allow me to ty for your reason with an up vote and a follow.

Bro thanks. I'm glad at least someone on this website understands.

ye np man

What truth? I honestly want to know. What lies? A woman who was born a man but identifies as a woman IS a woman. Same goes for trans men. Yeah, sure biological stuff. But they are the gender they identify with. Also, being a television is completely different, that’s pretending you are an object. If you believe that you are a television, then good for you, you’re the first of your kind in that area. But it’s different than being trans. And I “sugar-coated” it to avoid being transphobic.

this...is the stuff of legends. when insanity becomes the norm... we watch and wonder. what you just said COMPLETELY DEVALUES women. I'm not a woman and never can be, but I stand up for all. and if we say that anything can be a woman, then nothing is a woman. if I identify as a tomato then will u let me become ketchup? will u eat that ketchup and be inclusive?

Also, I really hope you know that the sugar-coated version is just the same as the non-sugar-coated, just said differently, and you admitted that the sugar-coated version is correct, therefore forfeiting your entire argument.

You pretty much just told me the equivalent of, "A rhino isn't a lion, but if a rhino thinks it's a lion, it might as well be,"

HOW is it different than being trans though? You have yet to explain that.

Okay, think about it this way. Your left foot is your right foot (gender) but it is put into the left shoe. (shoe=biological gender, or s-x). The right foot is still the person’s right foot, but it’s in the left shoe, which is the wrong shoe and HIGHLY uncomfortable.
That’s what being trans is like, it’s not a rhino saying it’s a lion.

That's where you're wrong because your left foot is not your right foot. If it's uncomfortable, you can't change the body the God gave you and chose specifically for you, you just have to suck it up.

*that God gave you

Okay, you have your beliefs, I have mine. I’ll hold my tongue and agree to disagree.

Alright, glad we could come to a conclusion.

Way to go, Lamar! The way you defended truth...inspiring!!