The UK government now oddly admits that vaccines have damaged the natural immune system of those who have been double-vaccinated.

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Good luck if you get vaxxed...

This says otherwise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2SE1TC

VERDICT

Misleading. While the UKHSA has observed lower anti-N antibodies in people who caught COVID-19 after double vaccination, this does not mean vaccines have hindered natural immunity to the disease.

hahahahahahahahaha.... what a stupid verdict... lower means less... OOPS

Anti-N antibodies are not guaranteed to develop in everyone who recovers naturally from COVID-19.

While those lower Anti-N antibodies have been observed in those who’ve been infected and vaccinated, that doesn’t mean that your overall immunity is compromised. Those who’ve been vaccinated just have a different antibody, Anti-S, which is protein-based because the vaccine is protein based.

You’re arguing that because there are less Anti-N antibodies that overall immunity is lower. The reason why that doesn’t work is because Anti-N is only one type of immunity.

By your logic, if someone had Anti-N and Anti-S antibodies (infected who been vaccinated) they would have more immunity. However the data does not support that:

“Importantly, the anti-S and anti-N antibodies combined do not equal greater immunity against COVID-19,” Experts at Meedan Health Desk.

Further:

The mRNA vaccines have been found to be five times more effective at preventing hospitalizations than natural immunity. Which wouldn’t make sense if they were compromising our immune systems in any way.

No, my point is it's been proven and admitted that natural immunity is better than the vaxx...

How is natural immunity better if it’s been proven not everyone who has been infected receives the amount of ani-N antibodies to successfully fight off the virus again?

Medical experts continue to say it is better to have the vaccine’s anti-S antibodies than any of the natural anti-N antibodies because there is less risk of hospitalization and death than being intentionally being infected with the virus that has many variants which are a grab bag of uncertainty. An even greater uncertainty than that of the mRNA vaccines.

And while some of the coronavirus variants have been less harmful. It’s still a mixed bag. Many of the studies that showed natural immunity to be more effective than the vaccines came from the initial outbreak which only reached maybe 7% of the total population. That “immunity” can no longer be spread from person to person.

Furthermore, the delta and omicron variants have been shown to be successful in reinfecting those who were presumed to already have immunity and remained unvaccinated.

In light of those facts, how does natural immunity equal better?

Sorry...Natural immunity is not spread... LOL

Natural immunity isn’t just whether a body can fight off a disease naturally without vaccines.

Natural immunity comes from those who were previously infected from a virus and their bodies successfully fought it off by creating the appropriate antibodies that prevent re-infection.

We can have natural immunity by exposure to a weak or less deadly virus, and when enough of the population becomes immune to a virus, then we achieve what is called herd immunity.

Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.

Most medical experts support achieving herd immunity through vaccination, not by allowing a disease to spread through any segment of the population, as this would result in unnecessary cases and deaths.

Well... Sweden proved that wrong... OOPS

I’m not sure how. Sweden’s hospitals has been overwhelmed since the first winter of this pandemic than other Icelandic countries. The only reason why they’ve had a relatively low infection and fatality rate is less to do with herd immunity but more to do by having a relatively low population density.

And you know nothing about Sweden... thanks...

How does that make it better?

Thanks for your ignorance... bye

The only thing worse than ignorance is to let it remain. I’ve asked you questions to clarify your statements which shows that I’m willing to at least hear you out.

You, on the other hand, have made many questionable statements that don’t appear to align with the facts.

If you have any intellectual integrity, you would do me the courtesy of explaining your position instead of being delighted in either my ignorance or your own.

And thanks for your dishonesty...

Please explain. Accepting that everyone dies on this earth and that Covid is in the high 90s percentage of survival rates, my risk to reward is not worth it. Why the heck would I be scared enough to get three shots and more on the horizon that don't guarantee if you will get a disease that isn't that deadly? It's not fear, it's just not really giving a shit. You fell hook, line and sinker for the biggest grift in modern history and you are stuck in a form of delusion. One that will have you taking experimental drugs that aren't really offering you protection from contracting Covid and blaming people who are enjoying life like they should be and you will be eternally miserable for it.

Well, if you’re already convinced I’m delusional, how can I possibly make a convincing argument?

The recovery rate for covid is very high. No one is living in fear. If you sheepish, libtard wants a jab, go get the jab. Anti vaxxers who refuse the jab are taking advantage of their freedom. People who refuse the jab because they are cautious are smart.

You equate anti-vaxxers with conservatives? Hah! That is funny.

People who refuse the jab because they didn't do the research into how in general vaccines are safe and reliable; and that you do not need to be sick or unhealthy to get them; and that this particular vaccine has even less of a risk factor than getting actual covid.

The recovery rate for covid is very high.... except for the 6 million who've died from it. Almost 1/6th were United States citizens.

But do go on about antivaxxers and their freedom to die or spread the disease to the more vulnerable.

Then will you very kindly please explain this:

The average has been a steady 2% increase each year until 2020. It was 17.7% in 2020.

What changed?

Yes, they died with comorbidities and from Covid.

And YOU can't explain why some 400,000 extra people died other than to spam your unrelated with/from talking point which has nothing to do with my point.

That your reasons for not getting the vaccine continue to be a joke.

theyve been screwing with the numbers, gum. they dont care if you got into a fatal car accident and died but if you had covid when you died then thats what they call a covid death. open your eyes and smell the truth. and stop whining when about anti vaxxers and other cautious people who dont want the jab. as americans we are free to chose if we want the jab or not. if we didnt we might as well be living in china

You’re talking about cause, I’m taking about overall mortality rate. Every single type of death counted. We saw an unnatural increase in 2020. How do you explain that?

Screwing with the numbers?

Do you know how hard that is to do to fake 400,000 deaths? We’ve been up an unnatural 300,000 a year since. It seems to me it would be very easy to prove fraud.

But I guess your guys are too incompetent.

all the deaths were real. not all of them were covid deaths. thats how theyve screwed with the numbers. you missed my point.

Deflection.

No, I understood your point.

You did, however, miss mine.

What caused that 17.7% abnormal increase?

I’m talking about overall mortality has gone up a whopping 17%. Not just covid deaths. All. Of. them.

The answer has never been explained to me beyond the vague and wishful thinking answers of…

Corruption, fraud.

Yeah, if I don’t like something? I’ll just start calling it fraud.