I am sure trans ppl go through huge struggles but should a natural born woman have to struggle vs a Olympic gold male athlete?

Truly amazing theory
What if, instead of categorizing sports by sex, which has multiple problems, including this, we categorize sports by physical ability

I dont think the WNBA would like to face the NBA, just sayin

As in, creating leagues of different physical strength where you only play teams of similar physical strength to you and your team

So, a bit like boxing, I suppose, but the thing is, you're not going to have very many women who can compete with men, hence why you have men's and women's divisions in sports to begin with.

Exactly.

So what practical difference would it have aside from making the crazy twitter people shut up?

Initial hypothesis: pretty much nothing, until someone realizes that the majority of women are not in the same skill class as men. The bigger problem is ignoring the crazy twitter people in the first place. For me, I just replace "witter" with "umblr" in my mind, and it makes a lot more sense and makes it incredibly easier to ignore.

Solution: call them physical ability classes, not skill classes

Again, you could do that, but with the disparities of physical abilities between men and women, why not add to it a unisex division. This way, women don't have to (unless they choose to) compete with men, and can compete fairly.

1. Yes.

2. Five minutes in a room with men and women will tell you that yes, their brains are different. I'm guessing based off your information, that sounds more of a brain abnormality due to gender dysphoria (aka something wrong) rather than a man being born in a woman's body. I could have the brain scan of a cat, that doesn't mean I'm gonna lick my paws and lie in the sun all day.

3. Science. Biology. Facts. I wouldn't mind seeing your sources. Glad you asked: I wouldn't have them compete with "cis" women. I wouldn't have them compete outside of perhaps a unisex or "trans" league. Same goes for "trans women." Also, what "trans women" lack in testosterone "cis" women lack even more. Hormonal enhancements are (my opinion) alone equivalent to steroids or other drug enhancements. That being said, normal women with more muscles are perfectly welcome (in my opinion) of women's sports. I've played in a basketball game with one girl (unfortunately on the opposing team 😂) with a RIDICULOUS athletic advantage over all of us. It's like if a hermaphrodite woman were to compete with women, it's not a problem. Now with all of this, why can't trans people have their own leagues of sports?

Actually, it is.

A "trans woman" is a man who only believes he's a woman. A woman is factually, and biologically, a woman. Even if you surgically alter parts, do hormone therapy, and dress him differently, he's still a man. He just believes he's a woman.

The same can be said for a "trans man," but just the opposite.

"Trans women" and "cis" men have one thing in common -- high amounts of testosterone. You have women and girls who lose spots in foot races, bike races, apparently we're behind in swimming by 40 seconds now... most physical activity can be performed by men than women.

Interesting video. She seems to focus a lot on "transphobia," and less on biological facts. Her argument also seems to center on "trans x is x" (swap in male or female for x). Can't say I disagree with the video she's analyzing. I can understand where she's trying to go, though.

How is it not an abnormality? Less than 2% of the population are experiencing this. Let's say less than 2% of people are born with one arm. Does that make having 1 arm normal? No. Or if less than 2% of people are hermaphrodites (or intersex). That also does not make this a normality (especially when the actual statistic is smaller). Or if 2% of people believe that they are cats (which I get is different from gender), that doesn't mean "cat" is a human identity.

These are not men/women "trapped" in women's/men's bodies. And I would hope someone would get me therapy if I started licking myself. I am clearly a human, with some serious mental issues.

You can send some other links if you wish, but I'm not going to subscribe to a school of thought that was spearheaded by an evil man making twin boys do unspeakable things to one another.

Incidentally, trans people can call themselves by whatever they choose, it doesn't make them what they claim to be. It's not invalidation, it's the truth. Invalidation would be denying their own genders in search of what they think they are in their minds.

For the people who have had medical operations, I would say that's cause for disqualification in sports, unless a separate league were made for them (which again, I'd have no problem with). For people who are "trans" by declaration (no operations), I would say they can compete with their actual genders, provided they don't plan on using medical operations. If they started hrt, I would say they should play with the "trans" leagues. And yes, this could change the playing field, which could also cause a need for a completely unisex league to be filled, or sports that rely solely on individual performance.

If you're claiming to be a male or female, it doesn't affect athletic ability, just you in comparison to your opponents. Athletic ability is more than just skin deep, and it depends on a lot of factors. Men will -- overall -- have a completely different set of biological and physiological factors than women.

A man with a woman's brain is still a man.
A woman with a man's brain is still a woman.
A human with a cat's brain is still a human.

They just all need therapy to reconcile these factors.

It's not that I see "nothing" but a girl, per se, especially since she portrays well what can be stereotypically seen as masculine (down to the Adam's apple, whoever did the surgery and treatment was very detailed). However, if I hear someone say he's "trans" something, I just think the opposite. In this case, I see a young woman who decided to match her body to her mind, rather than her mind to her body, regardless of reason (dysphoria, trauma, trend, desire, etc.). And I like to at least try to be somewhat open-minded. ;-)

Yes, I do see a common denominator. Dysphoria. If someone is born with a different-gendered mind, I would not say it's their fault. It's what they do with that that makes a difference. Some people have dysphoria about their bodies, but it's up to them to get the proper help to help readjust their mind. So a man has what's considered a woman's mind. So what? And the same can be said of a woman having a man's mind. It's easier to work with the mind than against the body. Same thing with one-armed people, no that's not their fault. Birth defects are not their fault. And it's also their choice to either work with the one arm or get a prosthetic (yes, I know not everyone can afford it, and I do believe more charities -- the more localized the better -- should be available to help out people for this kind of thing.)

However, being born with a missing limb can't be fixed with therapy... it's not a mind issue. Dysphoria of any kind can be (not always, but it's very helpful). Working against biology does not seem like a viable solution to me. I think we're probably going to agree to disagree here, but I'm cool with that.

Can I just say how happy I am to have had this conversation, by the way? I hope you have a great weekend.

That wouldn’t work because women are almost always weaker than men.

Correct, it would just make people shut up about keeping trans women in the same category as men

Biological men, which is what trans women are, or trans men (IDK how the f**k the terminology works) will always be stronger than a woman, no matter how they identify.

Correct

how many divisions would be in the olympics, which are meant to be the absolute best in the world?

That's......the whole point of a sports competition

You should have split genders because men, no matter what people think, will always be stronger.

Pretty much, yeah

Have any transwomen every won an Olympic medal?

Ever*

Get that “Male in female sports” crap out of here. It’s stupid. Men are always going to be stronger than women

except for the "womens" power lifting champ, she was Originally a guy and he crushed all the records. is that fair to the women who put yrs of training to be beat by basically a guy

You dont get it, A TRANS MALE TO FEMALE shattered all the womens power lifting records.. PERIOD..

Seems like you had trouble reading what I had to say.
In Reality, A man Destroyed all the women's power lifting records..

He/she was Not on estrogen, they were built like a NFL Linebacker. broke 9 records in 1 day by a lot.
Think of Mike Tyson wearing a dress.
The women competitors were PISSED

mary gregory

If she was not on estrogen she shouldn’t have been allowed to compete, only transwomen who are fully transitioned with no testosterone advantages should be allowed to compete in women’s sports

but they grew up with testosterone and have better skelital mass and muscle mass already there from when they were male, un fair