Food for thought

Also, I'm rewatching "Good Omens" and this all brings the use of "ineffable" to mind.

You absolutely earned my upvote

Ty sir

not against this meme, i gave it an up

Try to make sense.

Breakin it down for ya:

God has nothing to do with the creation of our offspring. Their genetics are replicated from our DNA. God is not evident in the choice of the gene sequencing of our children's DNA, only our free will by who we choose as a mate. If I want a child with red hair, fair skin, I'll court Irish women. If I want a child who is of darker skin tone, I'll date a black woman.

But then, Christians would say that it's already ordained by God who your children will be. Cool. So he takes credit for my taste in a mate and pre-selects who my children are from our shared gene pool? Alright. So, I don't have free will. Okay. Got it.

So then, he makes "children" at conception who he knows are going to be aborted. God lets that happen, then blames us for our free will to do so? So, everything we do that is good is by his grace, everything that we do that is bad is our fault.

Yeah f**k that mental abuse.

Have you seen how complex one strand of DNA is?

Yeah. What about it? Have you seen how easy it is for the DNA to produce variations?

So how could something so complex be able to do it by itself.

Are you familiar with logical fallacies?

It's really not that complex. DNA didn't start out so complex. It didn't just poof appear and was this long string of genetic code.

Stuff doesn’t just evolve into that. That would mean elements just appeared out of no where.

Are you challenging the big bang theory? If so, do you know how the elements appeared? Because it explains that.

Yes I am challenging the Big Bang theory. Please explain how an explosion that came from nothing created all kinds of elements that didn’t exist before!

Check this https://youtu.be/oJnhRQjPD9U

Nah bro I wanna hear your own argument not a you tubers.

Here's a video on Stellar Nucelosynthesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxSih_wpIiY

1/ Alright, I will now respond how "elements come from nowhere." This explanation will be shortened and will leave out some nuanced information, but the content will be there and will address the main points.

First, we need to agree on some things and by agree, I mean these are indisputable facts:
Stars move in space.
Other Galaxies exist in space.

There are other galaxies in the universe other than the milky way galaxy. The closest galaxy being the Andromeda Galaxy (confirmed by the Hubble Telescope.) We also see that these galaxies are moving away from us (and each other, much like how raisins spread apart when baking raisin bread. Space between all entities is increasing in every direction. We can tell how fast they're moving by measuring the red shift of the light that is coming off of those galaxies. When you plot graphically their distance and the speed at which they're moving, you come up with a straight line on a graph, they are proportionate to each other. The slope of this line y(1)-y(2)/x(2)-x(1) the slope of this line is called "Hubble's constant." It is written as H(subscript 0). We can express the aforementioned proportionality with an equation which is velocity is equal to Hubble's Constant times Distance. Or, v=H(sub0)*D. That is Hubble's Law. Like in Algebra, you can take the equation and shift it around to verify that the equation and solution are correct. Such as this: 1/Hsub0 = D/V. (H=Hubble's Constant, D=Distance, V=Velocity.)
In Physics, D/V is equal to Time. So, if we solve for D/V, we get 1/Hsub0 = t. Not just the time as a specified measurement in this instance, but the entire concept of Time itself given the nature of the expanding universe and the movement of the galaxies. When you calculate this number, you get roughly 14 billion years (rounded.) It is true, there is some debate about how much time *exactly* has passed, but they are arguing over decimal places over this number, not whole integers; they've narrowed their answers within one billion years. On this, all involved in the academic debate agree. Hubble's Constant is still being defined. As more data pours in, we get closer and closer to the accurate number. Hell, we can even measure the energy of the universe, but I haven't listened or studied about that topic... yet.
The Big Bang actually (upon checking notes) started with 0 elements. Matter had not cooled down enough for elements to form (yet). Once it did, it formed the most simple elements: Hydrogen and Helium

So where did all the other elements come from

2/ Helium is non-reactive. Hydrogen makes stars. Stars then make other heavier elements. Other elements come from a process called "Stellar Nucleo Synthesis." The Big Bang> Hydrogen> Stars> Elements. That's how it works.

Does that make more sense?

Nah because matter can neither be created nor destroyed remember.

That depends, do you want to read a long post?

Yepp

You didn't ask for how matter was created. You asked for how elements were created, I explained it to you.

Elements are matter 😂😂😂

Therefore if elements were created, then matter was created

I'll get to it tonight, can't atm.

That's not a valid objection.

"Elements are matter 😂😂😂"
You're conflating the creation of matter with the creation of the different elements. That's not the same concept. I can see you never went beyond High School.

I’m saying that elements are made of matter, therefore if matter can’t be created then elements can’t be created

But matter was created...

But what about the rule that matter cannot be created or destroyed

Dude... I'm done. I'm not sure if you're genuine or just a troll,, but this conversation is over.

If you're genuine, you're not having this discussion in good faith as you keep moving the goalposts while failing to answer any questions yourself.. If you're a troll, that's a different story.

Surprise both answers mean troll which isn't tolerated here. Enjoy your 24 timeout

"Therefore if elements were created, then matter was created"
So we're moving the goalposts from "Elements didn't come from nowhere." to "Matter didn't come from nowhere." I didn't address matter as I had foolishly assumed you'd stay on topic.
Shortly after the Big Bang, the universe was extremely hot and dense. As the universe cooled, conditions became just right to give rise to the building blocks of matter: the quarks and electrons of which we are all made.

A quark is any of a group of subatomic particles believed to be among the fundamental constituents of matter. In much the same way that protons and neutrons make up atomic nuclei, these particles themselves are thought to consist of quarks.

An electron is a stable subatomic particle with a charge of negative electricity, found in all atoms and acting as the primary carrier of electricity in solids.

Do you want to move goalposts again?

You forgot protons

Dude, protons are made of quarks. If I said protons were at the start, I would've been wrong. Try to keep up.

Yes but not everyone understands what quarks are. Remember many people are seeing these comments

Then let them ask questions. Don't ask for them as it leaves me to assume this is your level of knowledge (or lack thereof) that I am speaking to. Instead, you could have acknowledged it instead of making a very impotent attempt at a "gotcha" curveball.

Yes I should have you are correct

For those choosing to follow this thread, understand that this exchange was taken under the assumption this user would have a discussion of academia in the interests of gaining understanding and learning.
This user was banned at the end of the conversation for admitting to intentionally derail the conversation and then followed up by showing a complete disregard for the moderation actions taken against him.
In this stream it is our prerogative to give people the benefit of the doubt in ignorance as we live in a time where misinformation is the currency of the right-wing. In this, I went from one question to another and another until we were completely off of topic until he finally ran out of questions to ask that resulted in the conversation going in circles. They are now permabanned.

That's why this stream exists: we are here to share ideas and discuss ideologies in a respectful manner to one another, if you take away from this exchange you will be put on notice and potentially banned.

... But we're the "toxicy hypocrites who want to censor free speech" when we have rules posted here that will be followed. Freedom is a privilege that we enjoy. It is a privilege that has been often taken for granted and misconstrued to be an intrinsic right based upon our values. It is a privilege that we enjoy freedom of speech in most countries as a right by our laws. However, as seen in the Supreme Court, our country values legislation at the local level. Beyond that, contractual or conditional privileges also supercede the rights as defined by our country. Such as, the ability to run a bakery and refuse service to homosexuals because it is against your religion. Or, how some states have the choice to refuse the advice of medical advice by licensed practitioners. As such, trolls don't belong here and we will always endeavor to keep this place clean of trolls and would-be saboteurs of this stream - and trust me, I love my job.

Also. God doesn’t blame us for our free will?? Where’d ya hear that from?

"It’s too hard to explain over text…."

Yet here I am explaining the origins of the universe to you... Is it truly beyond your ability to explain in words?

It’s too long to explain over text

Something about needing to accept Jesus into your heart. Something about needing to beg forgiveness to get into his exclusive afterlife club otherwise the deity who is supposed to embody love will condemn you to an eternity of suffering until the end of time.

He doesn’t actually blame us ourselves like you think He does,

If the blame isn't ours then we aren't at fault. Therefore we wouldn't be condemned to hell

I’m saying that he doesn’t blame us as the way you’re thinking of it. It’s really complex.

Has it been explained to you before?

Yep

Then it's not complex beyond our understanding

It’s too hard to explain over text….

Shoulda specified.

OK, don't try to.

Don't try to what?