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People who do not understand the free market make memes that make no sense whatsoever.

When you cannot trust people with their own freedom then you are not acting in the best interest of mankind. You are acting in the selfish interest of a few who seek to exert power and control over everyone.

If you don’t understand the meme, you will never be on the right side

I do understand the meme, I just disagree with it. The free market ONLY favors the consumer and the employees. If a business screws one or the other they are no longer in business. There is no government to bail them out.

It is only when you inject government into the business world that you get favoritism and governments always favor the business owners because the business owners are the ones who give politicians kickback. That system is NOT free market or capitalism. That system is corporatism, leading to fascism and then socialism. What we are seeing in America today is NOT free market. It is almost fascism now and it came from the left, not the right.

It is like Ronald Reagan said:

"You know, someone very profoundly once said many years ago that if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism.

And what is fascism? Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation. Well, isn’t this the liberal philosophy?

The conservative, so-called, is the one that says less government, get off my back, get out of my pocket, and let me have more control of my own destiny."

Reagan was 100% correct.

Oh my god you’re such a joke dude. Read a damn history book to see what happens when free markets reign and how much workers get f**ked over.

Reagan was an idiot. Fascism is a far-right ideology that embraces nationalism, something leftists very largely reject. Nazis literally began the privatization trend that Reagan continued.

I'm sorry but Das Kapital is NOT a history book. It is not even factual. You seriously think if a business pisses off their employees that their employees are just going to stick around and take it? Are you that blind? They'll leave and when they leave the business collapses. There are a few one man businesses around but the majority of them rely on employees. If the employees leave that business cannot possibly survive.

Yes, there were some unscrupulous businesses who would lock their employees in and force them to buy from the company store but there were only a small handful of those businesses. There was an idea that if you changed jobs too much then you were a problem and businesses would look for longevity in an employee but those days are gone. People change jobs all of the time to increase their pay and/or working conditions.

It is only the businesses who are good to their employees who are the ones who have employees stick around for multiple decades. I know this from personal experience. I've worked at businesses where the average amount of time a person stuck it out was maybe 3 years and I have worked at businesses where people have been there over 30 years. You just do not get that kind of longevity if you mistreat your employees.

I feel like you haven’t been out in the the real world. People don’t just quit their jobs at will if they don’t like something. Usually conditions will be the same elsewhere. At-will employment means you don’t have to be hired at all, so many people are stuck performing work that they hate. A better response than quitting would be unionizing and making demands or making collective negotiations, but your hero politicians have helped in doing away with that.

A business can handle a turnover often. Look at all the strikes happening now. They hire scabs to get by and keep production moving.

No, those days are not gone. Of course an employer is going to consider how long you’ve held your last places of employment and why you left and how you performed.

My father has been working at a job for more than 20 years that he absolutely hates. The larger a company, the more control they necessarily are able to exert over their workers. This gives them longevity, and it certainly doesn’t make them more pleasant to workers or the planet.

Also, I wasn’t talking about Capital. Try Working Class History or The Long, Deep Grudge. People worked extremely long days. They were put to death for destroying capitalist machinery. Labor combinations were illegal. Child labor. Slavery. Pinkertons. 16+ hour work days. No breaks. No weekends. Contaminated meat. Free markets suck.

"People worked extremely long days. They were put to death for destroying capitalist machinery. Labor combinations were illegal. Child labor. Slavery. Pinkertons. 16+ hour work days. No breaks. No weekends. Contaminated meat. Free markets suck."

What country was this? The Soviet Union? Henry Ford, before unions, worked his employees 8 hours per day.

What company ever murdered anyone because they destroyed a machine? I'm not buying that one.

Unions were never illegal. Before unions there were guilds. Guilds were a carry over from England. I think guilds died out before unions came around but I am not sure. None of them were ever illegal.

Child labor existed and still exists. Go to any small farm and you will find children working on their parents farms. It was common place for centuries for children to work. I am not saying I am supporting it but it has only been since the 20th century that children weren't allowed in the work place. We used to not celebrate holidays, even Christmas, by taking a day off of work. That wasn't forced or imposed, that is just how everyone thought. People used to have pride in their work and would not even think of taking a holiday off. It was just a different mindset.

Slavery is evil. It doesn't matter if it is one man who thinks they have a right to own another person or if it is a socialist government who thinks they have the right to own another person. No one has the right to own another human being. We struck down slavery in this country 150 years ago and the left keeps trying to revive it with socialism.

16+ work days still exist in some companies. Most of software companies I've worked for expect more than 8 hours per day and you are not compensated for it. Some companies will even fire you if you only put in 8 hour days. Fortunately I haven't worked for one of those companies in a very long time. I don't take breaks, or even lunch but that is my choice. I could if I wanted to.

Contaminated meat? Use your brain dude. If I sold you bad meat would you ever buy meat from me again? What happens to my business if people stopped buying meat from my contaminated meat shop?

The free market is directly responsible for giving mankind the greatest living conditions to more people than anything else ever tried. We wouldn't be having this conversation without the free market because there wouldn't be this level of technology.

We wouldn't have the Internet if the government didn't put it into place. LOL.

You are so blatantly ill informed. Labor combinations were illegal everywhere, throughout Europe and here in the U.S. Unions had no rights until the 1930s!

(In England) "In 1812, parliament enacted a law imposing the death penalty for the destruction of machines."

The country I'm talking about is the U.S. Look into the Gilded Age. People lost limbs and digits at work. People died because of no regulations and safety protocols. Ever heard of the Haymarket Affair? Or the Homestead Strike?

Every right labor enjoys today is not because of the free market, it is because they fought for it and risked everything in so doing.

Yes we would have. The internet started with doctors and universities. Then the military got on. It took years after that before it became public.

Private industry gave you the browser because prior to that it was all text based. The internet is maintained by a private organization, not the government.

So England opposed unions in 1812. What's that got to do with the US.

People have been losing their lives and body parts on machinery ever since the 1st machine was built. It was innovation in the private sector that looked for ways to make machines safer. You can't blame old technology on the free market when the free market is what made everything safer. It just took time and innovation.

"Every right..."? What is a right? Where do rights come from? Do you have the same rights when your in someone else's building as you do in your own home? What are these rights you speak of?

The first workable Internet was developed by a US government agency and used to communicate with other government officials. It was funded by the US Department of Defense.

Even the Mises Institute concedes that, “the internet owes its very existence to the state and to state funding”.

England KILLED people for destroying machines in 1812, they didn’t just oppose unions. Do you even understand what I’m saying? Wow.

Regulations made machines safer. Not the free market. The latter wants to just cut corners and prioritize profits over people. By the way, progress in machinery is not a capitalist production alone, that barbarian “guild” period you talked about developed all kinds of new technology and was a significant period for human progress.

Your rights should not be limited based on where you stand or rest. To think otherwise is to reject freedom, and to subject others to the tyranny of private property.

We're not England. We also went to war with England in 1812 because they were kidnapping Americans and pressing them into service. They were making Americans fight English wars.

I don't care about what England was doing to unions in 1812. England did a lot of horrible things back then. England has never had a free market economy, ever.

Some regulations did make things safe but to say it was ONLY or even mostly the government, while promoting anarchy, is hypocritical.

When someone realized if they made changes to the machines or how those machines were operated then they did it themselves, without the government.

I used to work as a contractor at a Chevron refinery. I worked in their IT dept. There are OSHA regulations and there are Chevron's own regulations that go above and beyond OSHA or the unions. Chevron has this great idea that if you keep your employees alive and unharmed then you get more work out of them than if their dead. So they have a policy of sending you home in the exact same condition you came to work. In other words they didn't want to kill their employees. So they had very strict rules and procedures for making sure everyone was safe at all times. No other oil company has these policies. They just do what the minimum the government makes them do.

The government didn't tell Chevron to go overboard with safety, Chevron did that on their own. They spend billions keeping their employees safe. In addition they are a great company to work for.

"I feel like you haven’t been out in the the real world."

What you feel is irrelevant. What I have experienced in my 63 years of running around on this planet is what I told you. I do live in the real world. I have worked at several companies. I am a software developer. I've worked for some truly awful companies and I have worked for excellent companies. I have worked and lived in 3 different states, California, Missouri and Utah.

Each company I've worked for has a different attitude towards their employees. Those that pay the least are those who seem to undervalue their employees while those who pay well place a lot more value on their employees.

"My father has been working at a job for more than 20 years that he absolutely hates. The larger a company, the more control they necessarily are able to exert over their workers."

There are a lot of people, who are still caught up in that mindset that they have to have decades of work behind them in order to matter. They'll put up with a whole lot of crap because of that.

Those people who choose to stick it out is it entirely their choice. No one is stopping them from leaving their crappy job. No one is stopping them from learning a skill that would merit them a bigger paycheck. Some companies will even reimburse your college tuition, in part or completely. Even if that means they lose you.

I've worked for huge corporations and I have worked for a business that only had 4 employees, including the owner. Some corporations do exert more controls over people and some don't. No one is forcing anyone to work for a large corporation.

"A business can handle a turnover often. Look at all the strikes happening now. They hire scabs to get by and keep production moving."

Hostess went out of business because two unions decided that they needed a raise and went on strike. Another company bought the rights to the name and products and you can still buy Hostess products but it is not the same company.

Some unions are parasites who will greedily suck a business dry and then move on to another business and some are a little more symbiotic. They still take more than they give but they hold back from sucking the business dry so they can keep their jobs.

You are 63 years old, don't understand political ideology and have come to an illogical conclusion that the right-wing propaganda you've been fed is the truth. Wow. And how dare you call unions parasitic. We have multinational corporations polluting lands and water and killing people in the process, bringing invasive species from overseas to exterminate other species at an accelerated rate, assume native land by force, undermine labor rights and combinations and get away with paying dirt cheap labor, collaborating with foreign elites to establish policies that will enrich global billionaires. Again, that is your utter garbage free markets at work.

Based on what you said, I am miles ahead of you. And the think is I don't consider myself an intellectual. I'm not calling you stupid just way under and miseducated. I'm serious about that.

Your understanding of the business world is that of a 2 year old. Someone has convinced you to believe that good is bad and bad is good. They really did a number on you.

Yes, there is corruption in the world. All economic system can be corrupted. But some are far more susceptible than others. Anarchy is extremely hard to maintain because of corrupt people who take by force from you. Socialism and all its variations are based on a corrupt foundation. The only economic system that actually punishes corruption is the free market. Corruption can exist in a free market but it is severely limited.

Put down Das Kapitol and go buy Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics. It will set you right so that you can stop believing the hogwash from the left.

I can’t take you seriously when you say shit like “the free market punishes corruption”. You can’t be this brainwashed.

IT DOES!!! Would you continue buy from a store that always ripped you off, sold you crappy products or treated you bad? Do you think anyone else would want to shop at that store? What happens to that store when no one shops there? Do you think they stay in business?

If a manufacturer makes an inferior product, would you keep buying that product? What happens to that manufacturer when no one buys their products because they are crappy?

We are not living in a capitalistic or free market economy anymore. We haven't for over a century. The Marxist Progressives have turned our economy into a corporatist economy and now we are right on the edge of fascism. Those are the polar opposite of a free market. Those are heavily controlled and even subsidized businesses where the government picks the winners and losers. This is what you *think* capitalism is but you are wrong, dead wrong.

Exactly, that would be the bosses.

When I said "people", at what part did you think I was excluding bosses from that group?