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One could argue Capitalism is a failed system. | HOW CAN THE RIGHT CLAIM BIDEN IS A COMMUNIST VIA BEING A PUPPET FOR PING, THEN SAY COMMUNISM IS NEVER PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED AND THUS CANNOT SUCCEED, WHEN CHINA IS ONE OF OUR LEADING COMPETITORS, AND OWNS OVER 1 TRILLION IN US DEBT? ITS BECAUSE THEY NOT FULLY COMMUNIST. SO, EITHER CHINA ISN'T REALLY A COMMUNIST AND NEITHER IS BIDEN. OR, CHINA IS A COMMUNIST AND BY YOUR LOGIC, SO IS BIDEN. THIS WOULD MEAN THAT COMMUNISM IS SUCCESSFUL UNDER CHINA'S MODEL. ANY MORE GOAL POSTS YOU WANNA MOVE? | image tagged in memes,creepy condescending wonka,maga npc,capitalism,communism,biden | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Neither are communist.
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If China isn't communist, why do they operate and identify as such through the China Communist Party?
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The National Socialists weren't socialist.
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Agreed, that's the point I'm trying to make. The Right is trying to call Biden a communist - because he allegedly serves China (according to them. So, if we use the precedent that the Nazis weren't Socialist to China not being communist, he isn't a Communist, either.

Their logic is wholly and laughably flawed.
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So you're trying to say that their logic is flawed, but your own modus ponens structure seems to be flawed. Can you clearly state the premises and conclusion?
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If I knew you to be one who could argue in good faith, yes.
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An honest question, just like the one about FMJ.
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Simple. I'll break it down.

Right Wing: BIden is a communist.
Alright, let's look at that, why is that bad?
RW then goes to throw incoherent, "modus ponens" fallacies stating since communism has never been successful, it can never be successful. (While stating which form of communism they're referring to, or what dictates success under the umbrella of communism.)
I then, choose the platform the RW likes to lean on: economic success of the country; the GDP. I also point to the level of debt owed by USA to China specifically ~1t USD.
If one researches this topic, they'll find that the second largest GDP holder (behind USA) is China at ~15t USD and USA at ~20tUSD.
However, the national debt between the two countries is a far different picture. China has about ~7tUSD in national debt (according to a government think tank), while USA has 28tUSD in total debt.
In matters of military, due to their population, their allies, etc. they are also a competing super power that would definitely put us in a very, very long war. I won't speculate as to who would win by how much. I will say, if neither side back down, it would be quite costly in lives and money.

-BUT THEN-
i was recently told by RW voter that "China isn't completely communist." (What? Non-binary thinking from the right? Omg, tell more.) They went on to make this technicality that takes away from what they right claims communism is which is typically Authoritarian/Tyrannical Communism.

Then the quandary occurs...

If Communism is a failed system, how is it that China (which has a governing party of the Chinese Communist Party), does so well with their finances compared to the US?
So, if China is communist, according to the RW Biden must be because he allegedly works for China.
But if China is not communist, then how can Biden be?

But then again, this is a meme, not a college paper, and I am basing the meme off of the inane babble of ad hominem attacks at Biden from the right. So, this meme, is addressing the flawed logic of the right and using that same logic to formulate this question.

*wink* Much like Marx does with Capitalism. He assumes that it works perfectly, as intended and still asks how it can sustain itself. But, most RW wouldn't know that as they never even looked at Das Kapital. They (in my experience) assume it's a handbook on "how to be communist." And would sooner burn the book. (Remind you of anyone?)
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Oh boy... so that's a 'no' on being clear.
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So you've got a meme, which is simple form, and long text which elaborates on what's being spoken. The issue is not mine.
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My formal logic class hurt my head. To do a proof you would have to do so many iterations through simplify this, mp that, mt the other, double-negate the result and then you end up with some X and not X contradiction so that you achieve an indirect proof of the opposite [agonized screaming]. I understand that method, but prefer to stick to premise, premise, conclusion:
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Also, in case you want to contest on who the issue rests, it seems others have received the message I've put out and understood it. Perhaps you're imitating the meme?
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Indeed. Quite simply, organizations aren't always what they call themselves.
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    HOW CAN THE RIGHT CLAIM BIDEN IS A COMMUNIST VIA BEING A PUPPET FOR PING, THEN SAY COMMUNISM IS NEVER PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED AND THUS CANNOT SUCCEED, WHEN CHINA IS ONE OF OUR LEADING COMPETITORS, AND OWNS OVER 1 TRILLION IN US DEBT? ITS BECAUSE THEY NOT FULLY COMMUNIST. SO, EITHER CHINA ISN'T REALLY A COMMUNIST AND NEITHER IS BIDEN. OR, CHINA IS A COMMUNIST AND BY YOUR LOGIC, SO IS BIDEN. THIS WOULD MEAN THAT COMMUNISM IS SUCCESSFUL UNDER CHINA'S MODEL. ANY MORE GOAL POSTS YOU WANNA MOVE?