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It’s time to start fixing the damage IG and RUP has brought to the Constitution

It’s time to start fixing the damage IG and RUP has brought to the Constitution | I AM REQUESTING A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION TO BE HELD; ALL ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND REGARDLESS OF PARTY | image tagged in putin has a question | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Tools for reference
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Common Sense Constitution
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Article 9: Trials
Section 1: One of the Stream Owners is selected to hold a trial.
Section 2: The accused can choose whether to hold a trial by judge or by jury. The difference between the two is who chooses and delivers the verdict. The judge still delivers the sentence in either case. If a jury trial is selected, Congress acts as the jury.
Section 3: If you wish to appeal your case, you may appeal to the President or Vice President. If you appeal your case to either official and they feel a retrial is necessary, a retrial will occur. An Owner will preside as judge and a joint session of Congress and Senate will act as the jury. The verdict in this case is final.

Article 10: Punishments
Section 1: The only punishments available are temporary or permanent bans.
Section 2: If a user posts something that breaks the rules, It is up to the President and other mods to enforce rules, but punishments are not necessary.
Section 3: Repeat offenders shall be Tried and charged on grounds of total disregard for the rules.
Section 4: The Jury shall vote to convict or not, and they can suggest their punishments to the judge,
Section 5: Anyone deleted by a Community or Global Mod shall face a ban for 3 months from the time of their deletion, unless mods are permabanning the banned user from the site.
Section 6: If a person in power is punished, the owner can decide to suspend their mod for a certain amount of days.

Article 11: Voting
Section 1: All users are entitled to ONE VOTE. Multiple votes and alting will NOT BE TOLERATED.
Section 2: All prospective voters are required to register for a free voter ID from the IMGFLIP_DMV stream before voting. All voters are to post their ID below their ballot so the owner can verify they are a registered voter. Anyone caught using a fake or non DMV-issue ID will be subject to a trial or impeachment for voter fraud. The IMGFLIP_DMV is required to create a voter ID within 48 hours of the initial request in order for as many people to be able to vote as possible.
Section 3: Elections will be held the last 2 days of the month, every 2 months.
Section 4: No user shall hold the same office in a year for more than two terms.
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Article 9 add on: The main purpose of the trial is to discover the truth and look for a path to reconciliation first. If reconciliation is not an option, then the judge may proceed with a standard trial to determine innocence or guilt.
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Article 12: Military forces
Section 1: Generals or Admirals of an official branch can promote troops to the next rank.
Section 2: The President can appoint Colonels to be Generals of their said branch.
Section 3: In times of war, The President shall appoint the highest ranking General to be the General of the Army.
Section 4: Troop Deployment, Attacks can only be authorized by the President (Or Acting President) and no one else.

Article 13: Cabinet
Section 1: The President can appoint any non-banned user to any position in his/her Cabinet. These users act as advisors who carry out specific roles in the administration.
Section 2: The President can order Cabinet secretaries in the line of succession as they please.
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Article 1- President
Section 1: A President must be elected every 2 months during the last 2 days of the month. Candidates must have a running mate prior to the vote. The candidate with the most votes at the end of voting will be inaugurated the following day, on the first of the month.
Section 2: The President will be given moderator of the stream, and is not to be revoked unless convicted of a crime through impeachment. They are permitted to retain their moderator status after they leave office unless convicted of a crime through impeachment.
Section 3: A President may only hold office for two terms in a year, consecutive or non-consecutive. For example, if a President serves a two month term from November 1st to December 31st, then serves another term from January 1st to February 28th or 29th, they cannot serve another term until next November. If a President serves a November-December term and then a March-April term, they can serve another term next November-December, but must wait until the next March-April term to serve again.
Section 4: The President shall enforce stream rules as necessary.
Section 5: The President may appoint advisors to help enforce stream rules. This is not necessary, though it is helpful. The advisors enforce stream rules as necessary, but they hold no power.

Article 2: Vice President
Section 1: The VP shall be elected as the president’s running mate.
Section 2: The VP shall have mod, but only as long as their term lasts.
Section 3: If the president has deleted, gone missing, resigned, or is otherwise unable to perform their duties, the VP shall act as the Acting President. Or the President shall let the stream know if they are going to be inactive on certain dates, so the VP shall step in immediately. The HOC becomes the new acting VP; Congress appoints a new HOC.

Article 3: Head of Congress
Section 1: The HOC is granted mod privileges for the duration of their term
Section 2: The HOC is responsible for organizing Congressional sessions at least once a week to discuss and propose new laws.
Section 3: The HOC shall be the tiebreaker when required for a Congress vote
Section 4: In the case where both the President and Vice President are deleted, missing, or otherwise unable to perform their duties, the HOC will become the new acting President. The HOS will become their Vice President. Congress will vote to confirm a new HOC and the Senate will vote to confirm a new HOS.
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Article 4: Congress
Section 1: Congress shall be formed of at least 15 members. Anyone is welcome to join Congress if they so wish as long as they have their paperwork in order and have obtained a free voter ID from the Imgflip DMV.
Section 2: Congress shall propose and vote on rules for the stream. A simple majority will pass normal bills, and the bill is sent to the Senate. If it passes the Senate, the President will either enact it, or veto it. If the bill is vetoed, then a 2/3 supermajority joint session of Congress and the Senate will override the veto and the veto becomes law.
Section 3: A 2/3 supermajority is required separately in both Congress and the Senate and a Presidential enactment for constitutional amendments.
Section 4: If Congress fails to recruit 15 members, the President may appoint the required amount of members.
Section 5: In case of a tie, the HOC casts the tie breaking vote.

Article 5: Head of Senate
Section 1: The HOS is granted mod privileges for the duration of their term
Section 2: The HOS is responsible for organizing Senatorial sessions at least once a week to discuss and propose new laws.
Section 3: The HOS shall be the tiebreaker when required for a Senate vote
Section 4: In the case where the President, Vice President, and HOC are deleted, missing, or otherwise unable to perform their duties, the HOS will become the new acting President. A joint session of Congress and Senate will vote to appoint a new Vice President for the former HOS. Congress will vote to confirm a new HOC and the Senate will vote to confirm a new HOS.
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Article 6: Senate
Section 1: The Senate shall be formed of at least 15 members. Anyone is welcome to join the Senate if they so wish as long as they have their paperwork in order, have obtained a free voter ID from the Imgflip DMV, and have been elected or appointed by a stream to represent them. No government stream including IMGFLIP_PRESIDENTS, political party stream, or stream that provides a service to PRESIDENTS such as IMGFLIP_BANK or IMGFLIP_DMV may appoint a Senator.
Section 2: The Senate shall propose and vote on rules for the stream. A simple majority will pass normal bills, and the bill is sent to Congress. If it passes Congress, the President will either enact it, or veto it. If the bill is vetoed, then a 2/3 supermajority joint session of Congress and the Senate will override the veto and the veto becomes law.
Section 3: A 2/3 supermajority is required separately in both Congress and the Senate and a Presidential enactment for constitutional amendments.
Section 4: If the Senate fails to recruit 15 members, the Vice President may appoint the required amount of members.
Section 5: In case of a tie, the HOS casts the tie breaking vote.

Article 7: Owner
Section 1: The Owner shall be responsible for holding elections and transfers of power. They also act as the Judicial branch of the government.
Section 2: To appoint a new Owner, a current Owner must send a nomination to a joint session of Congress and Senate. If a 2/3 majority is reached, they go to the President to be either be confirmed or vetoed. If a 2/3 majority isn't reached or the President vetoes it, the proposal is tabled, although Congress may revote on the nomination if they so wish.

Article 8: Impeachment
Section 1: In order to remove a person in power, 2 Officials (President, VP, HOC, Member of Congress, HOS, or Senator) must call for an impeachment, what offense was committed, and who is responsible. A trial shall then be held by one of the Stream Owners and after giving their verdict Congress shall vote, with a ⅔ supermajority required to impeach.
Section 2: If a President, Vice President, HOC, or HOS was the official impeached, they are stripped of their mod powers and are not allowed to run again for any political office for six months.
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Article 8, Section 3: The impeached may not hold any office including a Congress or Senate seat or cabinet position for six months, and may not run for office or hold an elected position for one year.
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Add on: Any elected official who attempts to appoint the impeached to an office will also be subject to impeachment.
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RUP Constitution
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Article 1- President
Section 1: A President must be elected every 2 months during the last 2 days of the month. Candidates must have a running mate prior to the vote. The candidate with the most votes at the end of voting will be inaugurated the following day, on the first of the month.
Section 2: The President will be given moderator of the stream, and is not to ever be revoked even after their term ends, unless convicted of a crime through impeachment.
Section 3: The President shall enforce stream rules as necessary.
Section 4: The President may appoint advisors in his Cabinet to help enforce stream rules. This is not necessary, though it is helpful. The advisors enforce stream rules as necessary, but they hold no power.

Article 2: Vice President
Section 1: The VP Shall be elected as the president’s running mate.
Section 2: The VP Shall have mod, but only as long as their term lasts.
Section 3: If the president has been inactive for 3 or more days, the VP shall act as the Acting President. Or the President shall let the stream know if they are going to be inactive on certain dates, so the VP shall step in immediately.
Section 4: In case of ANY tie in Congress, the Vice President casts the tie-breaking vote.

Article 3: Head of Congress
Section 1: The HOC shall be given mod privileges as long as their term lasts.
Section 2: The HOC with the most votes at the end of the election gets moderation rights.
Section 3: The HOC shall hold Joint congress sessions at least once a week to discuss and propose new laws.

Article 4: Head of the Senate (position to be established after the election)
Section 1: The HOS shall be given mod privileges as long as their term lasts.
Section 2: The HOS with the most votes at the end of the election gets moderation rights.
Section 3: The HOS shall hold Joint Senate sessions at least once a week to discuss and propose new laws.
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Most of this seems alright.

HOWEVER — it seems that Article 2, Section 4, far from fixing the problems we pointed out involving impeached Vice-Presidents serving as judges in their own trials, doubled down on the problem.
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Article 5: Congress
Section 1: Congress shall be formed of 15 members. The President, VP, and HOC shall pick 4 members each. The 3 Empty seats shall be filled by the runner ups. If they choose not to participate, Vacancies will be filled by the HOC.
Section 2: Congress shall propose and vote on rules for the stream. A simple majority (8-7) will pass normal bills, and the President will either enact it, or veto it. If the bill is vetoed, then ⅔ supermajority will pass it.
Section 3: ⅔ supermajorities are required for constitutional amendments and impeachments.
Section 4: Vacancies In congress shall be filled by who appointed them.
Section 5: Stream owners are NOT to interfere with Congressional votes.
Section 6: In case of ANY tie, the Vice President casts the tie breaking vote.

Article 6: Senate
Section 1: The Senate consists of users elected to represent different streams.
Section 2: Each stream may appoint one Senator through any method they please.
Section 3: Any stream listed on imgflip.com/streams may participate.
Section 4: Streams that are too similar to another larger stream may not participate (e.g. LGBTQ_too is too similar to LGBTQ).
Section 5: IMGFLIP_PRESIDENTS itself has no Senator aside from the HOS.
Section 6: The Senate votes on foreign policy matters, not internal affairs in specific streams, and the HOS casts the tie-breaking vote.

Article 7: Owner
Section 1: The Owner shall be responsible for holding elections and transfers of power. Nothing else.
Section 2: They are not to interfere with Congress votes, trials, or impeachments. They are not to run for office. But they may vote in elections.
Section 3: Owners cannot remove an elected official without Congress voting with the necessary supermajority to impeach.

Article 8: Impeachment
Section 1: In order to remove a person in power, 2 Officials (President, VP, HOC, Member of Congress, or Owner) must call for an impeachment, what offence was committed, and who is responsible. A trial shall then be held by one of the judges from the Courtroom stream and after giving his verdict Congress shall vote, with a ⅔ supermajority required to impeach. Stream owners are NOT to interfere with this process. As usual, the Vice President casts the tie-breaking vote if necessary. However, if the Vice President is the one being impeached, then the Head of Congress casts the tie-breaking vote instead.

Article 9: Trials
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Section 7: Owners

This draft is too harsh in the limitations it attempts to place on Owners. In general, I think Owners should let governments govern, if they’re behaving, respecting TOS and all that, but all kinds of situations can arise, and it’s hard to predict them all.

IG’s modding and conduct IMO gets right up to the line of a situation where he could be demodded even without a trial, for instance.

I did defend IG against his demodding last term, before I was aware of the extent of the problem and thought a compromise could still be reached on the LGBTQ issues. IG went on to violate that compromise.

Ultimately, I’m not sure a Constitution can bind the Owners unless they specifically agree to be bound.
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Yeah there’s really not much anyone other than another owner or Dylan can do to prevent owners doing as they see fit; we saw that when Scar awarded the election to Wubbzy even though Fake Trump got more votes. Definitely the right move in the long run, but I can understand the worry that that move created.
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Article 10: Voting
Section 1: All users are entitled to ONE VOTE. Multiple votes and alting will NOT BE TOLERATED.
Section 2: Elections will be held the last 2 days of the month, every 2 months.
Section 3: Voters must register by following the stream before the deadline 2 week prior to the election. Users who have been inactive for more than a week cannot vote.

​​Article 11: Cabinet
Section 1: The President can appoint any non-banned user to any position in his/her Cabinet. These users act as advisors who carry out specific roles in the administration.
Section 2: The President can order Cabinet secretaries in the line of succession as he pleases.
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Article 10: Voting

Another Article like Article 7 (Owners) where I’m not sure the government even has the authority to place restrictions on voting. Managing the election process and ensuring fairness to all parties is an Owner responsibility. If the Party in power can unilaterally change voting rules, that’s a tremendous opportunity for abuse.

Some of these provisions seem okay while others are too harsh. Most of the stream seemed to be okay with the 2-week voter registration period. However, the newest Voter ID law (Section 3: “Users who have been inactive for more than a week cannot vote.”) seems both vague and overly restrictive of the franchise.
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True. Between this version and its counterpart in the Common Sense Constitution, do you have any suggested rough drafts for everyone to look over? Nothing fancy if you don’t have the time, we have plenty of time to fine tune everything.
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This is the N.E.R.D. Constitutional Convention - still ongoing and seeking ideas at this point. We haven’t hammered it into specific articles yet.
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"Users who have been inactive for more than a week cannot vote."

please for heaven's sake fix this language, it's so nebulous

Like, inactive from the stream for a week? Inactive from the site for a week? Does one have to post to be considered active or will a comment suffice? Or my personal favorite, if you've been inactive at any point for more than a week you can't vote.
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Added HOS and Senate (although these shall not apply until after the election)

Clarified that the HOC casts the tie-breaking vote if the VP is the one being impeached.

Added the new court system.

Removed outdated rules about voter registration and term limits, as well as rules unnecessary articles about the military and punishments.
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Pretty sure its just ig, not rup
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I like your constitution much better than the swiss cheese hack job that's left of the RUP constitution. I'll add my suggestions anyway.
●We still need checks and balances spelled out.
We need an explicit recognition of the owners as the supreme court, to keep the next party in power from gutting the constitution as soon as they take power. Let's put aside what Incognito tried to do (writing the owner out of the constitution...) we have parties currently running that plan to throw out all the rules and start from scratch.
We need to be able to appeal this stuff to the owners.
●We need an expedited appeals process spelled out for people accused of a crime. As we've seen recently, endless investigations are being used as the punishment rather than to prove a case BEFORE punishment. We should have a 96 hour period of time for trials: PERIOD. 2 days to prepare, two days to try the case.
Otherwise the next administration can just decide they don't like someone and spend 6 weeks "investigating" your DMV or sloth's bank for "corruption." (Yes, I'm aware that IG is stretching this trial out on purpose, hoping it goes away, but the point remains: neverending trials have no place on the stream if we're going to have an election every 2 months.)
● article 6.4 needs clarification. "Section 4: If the Senate fails to recruit 15 members, the Vice President may appoint the required amount of members."
This sounds like the VP can pull an Incognito and stack the Senate with cronies if he so chooses.
All in all, nice work tho.
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