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3e6s5s.gif (click to show) Makes me smile... Exactly!

2xpslb.gif (click to show) Clapping. The vaccine makes you carry a higher viral load so they are more dangerous than those who have natural immunity from having it.

4xq347.gif (click to show) Science

[assuming Google translate is accurate.. idk]

But ya the previous meme is my stock response to comments or memes that contribute to a narrative downplaying covid, vaccine skepticism, etc which could lead to more American covid deaths... Assuming the people doing it here are American, it would seem China doesn't even need troll farms on payroll... We do that work for them for free.
:o

Care to speculate on the theme of my meme?
If the vax works, why can't the unvaxxed decide for themselves not to get it?
If the vax doesn't work, why should they get it?

The theme of your meme is more or less mirrored in your reply.....

"IF the vax works, then why X...?"

There is no "if"....
It works and has been proven to work. Questioning whether or not it works is vaccine skepticism.

Sure, no vaccines are100% effective and efficacy drops over time. But you being vaccinated helps prevent you from possibly getting it, which obviously also helps me from getting it from you. (The vaccine also helps prevent me getting it from you, but as I said the vaccines aren't 100% effective...)

Vaccination also has been widely shown to help prevent covid hospitalization and death.

It doesn't work. If you can still catch, spread & die from covid... it doesn't work.
They literally had to redefine the term "vaccine" to cover for its inefficacy.
Even if it does work why force it on people who don't want it? If you try to justify forced administration of a gene therapy technology (the long-term effects of which are unknown) for a disease with a 99% survival rate, you're either a sadist, or working for pfizer or other pharma corps. (like some prominent public figures I can think of who are sadistic shills for pharma corps.) ...or you're just grossly misinformed. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt & pick the 3rd.

As I said it's not a 100% black/white total cure type situation. You can still catch, spread, and die from covid while vaxxed.... It is simply less likely.

For example this year from Feb 8 to July 14 in Texas, 8,787 people died from covid......... 99.5% of them were unvaccinated. Coincidence?

The flu vax is far less effective and people still consider it a vaccine.

99% survival rate sounds cool until you consider 1% of our population would be roughly 3.3 million deaths.

Less likely to die of covid? Maybe so.
Less likely to catch & spread? Not at all.

This undermines any justification for forced vaccinations.
Especially considering that alternative treatments and natural immunity for
the previously infected exist.

If you feel it protects you, by all means get it.
But even if it is safe, which I'm not convinced it is, forcing medical treatment
of any kind on anyone is wrong.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7031e2-H.pdf

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.18.21262237v1

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

Not at all?

"We found that the effectiveness of BNT162b2 and ChAd0x1 against any infections (new PCR positives) and infections with symptoms or high viral burden is reduced with the Delta variant. "

^From your own source.

Once again you seem to be looking at it in totally binary terms.

"Effectiveness reduced against Delta variant" somehow equals "not at all effective".

Oh, I guess you got me on that...good eye. I retract "not at all"...
replace w/ "meh, sometimes it works" lol .

Still, though-- I'm against compelling anyone to take the vax or segregating society
based on vax status.
If you can explain how an unvax'd person is a threat to a vax'd person, I'd like to hear it.

I already explained that to you 3 comments ago..
:|

But ok I'll try again. As we have established, vaccines aren't 100% effective. They are somewhat effective though. So...

You being vaccinated helps prevent YOU from getting covid....

Which helps prevent ME from getting covid from you.

Because if YOU do not have covid, I obviously cannot get covid from you.

An unvaxxed person does not have that additional "meh sometimes it works" protection from getting covid.
:P

This logic also applies to hospital care. The vax helps prevent YOU from requiring hospitalization... which helps ME if I end up catching a breakthrough case requiring hospitalization. (Less patients in the hospital = greater ability for hospital staff to focus on each of the patients who are there)

If the vaccine was 100% effective then you not being vaxxed would not effect me. Unfortunately that's not the case.

So, to sum it up, since the vaccine only works sometimes, I must be forced to take it so that
maybe my chances of catching covid will be reduced enough that you will receive some of that partial protection.
:[
(also we're ignoring the immunity of those who've already had covid... millions of people by now-- they should be forced to take it too, just in case)

I appreciate that your goal is to save lives, honestly.
I'm just not buying that the vaccine is safe, that it is even necessary, or that the threat
of the disease is worth revoking a person's right to consent of what goes into their body.
If we give up control over this, what is left?

Ignoring "immunity" of those who've had covid?? Did the CDC change that definition too....?

There are people who have had covid twice. Not sure you should be able to have it twice if having it once is supposed to make you "immune".. I guess you could say the antibodies also provide some level of "meh it works sometimes" protection against catching it a second time.
;P

But that only works assuming you survive covid the first time.. which the vaxx helps you do.

Nobody wants the govt to control everything and you are still not technically being forced... They are making it difficult though. And ya if the VAERS numbers are actually shown to be causal, that would be somewhat concerning (although considering more than 180 million of us are fully vaxxed, percentagewise the risk would still seem relatively small..)

Tbh I was somewhat nervous when I first got vaxxed... At least one person here was literally saying it would kill everyone. But I figured I'd rather die with my family trying to help America than do nothing and possibly get covid and spread it to the people around me. I told whoever it was on here to have fun shoveling the bodies. Lol
but ya anyways.. Still not dead... Nor magnetized.
:P