This shouldn’t be a debate

Not religion but moral law

So the Harm principle?

who's morals?

Natural law, common sense says it's not beneficial for society to just kill someone for no reason right?

embryos aren't babies.

You mentioned the golden rule is that a religious rule?

not at all. reciprocity preceded organized religion.

Funny you don't have a sense of morality

embryos aren't babies.

First of all, Yes, they are

Second, all I said was that you admitted to not knowing what morals are.
You honestly need to see a psycologist if you have that issue, no hate I'm actually giving advice

argue with scientific definitions all you want. i know what morals are - they are to maintain the legal right to abort.

Never mind you don't know what morals are. Sad, I pity you

religion is not moral.

since you don't want to face it with your own google search, https://www.google.com/search?q=killing+in+the+name+of+religion

if religion were moral they would have simply fed the starving, not tortured them with starvation for not converting.

Since when did they do that?

Btw just saying I'm tired as hell right now and might be more trolling than debating

religion has been torturing and killing in the name of religion since religion began.

Just wondering if you can come up with an example

Never mind I'm not arguing with somebody who opposes the first amendmenr

lmfao look it up or something, morals have existed far longer than abortion. I strongly recommend that you get to a psychiatric hospital ASAP.

who's morals should we live by? tucker carlsons?

Human morals

Yet it is, and it's what made the USA into what it is.

"under god" was added in 1954, well after the USA was successful.

Try 1864,,, when it it wasn't exactly.

true.

Then what should be the basis of law?

Human morality

Human morality is flawed, that's how we ended up with Hitler and his millions, Stalin and his millions, Mao and his millions, and now abortion and it's millions

So religion will steer us better? no Theocracy is inherently flawed

and murder in the name of religion.

didn't say all religions were good

but some elements of all religions ARE good.

like sacrificing children to Molech?

no, not that one :)

thought you said some elements of ALL religions are good?

learn to write better.

is that the only element of ALL religions?

maybe learn how to read a basic English sentence

and doesn't that benefit society, like abortion?

i'm already born.

what difference does it make? born or unborn you're still a human

yes, abortion benefits society.

would you consider aborting yourself a benefit to society?

so you agree partial birth and post birth abortion should be legal?

golden rule.

And where does that come from?

not religion. reciprocity preceded religion.

yet you brought up the golden rule, which comes from Jesus' teaching

reciprocity preceded jesus.

Suicidal people about to commit several accounts of murder:

what's wrong with assisted suicide if somebody wants to die?

Wait what

it's way better than living in pain with no way out. https://www.google.com/search?q=assisted+suicide

Except there is always a way out, even if you can’t see it.

a way out of terminal diseases?

I’m just going to give up on this conversation.

wise choice.

benefit to society.

all of society or the majority? someone's always going to get the short end of the stick

abortion benefits all of society.

it's murder, how is that a benefit?

no its not. https://i.imgflip.com/5noc4z.jpg

and this is the problem with human morality

a fetus is not a baby. god sent you a vax, but you keep praying for alternatives.

So, if the government legalized killing the Jews, it's not murder to kill them?

jews aren't fetuses.

I'm not saying they are. I'm pointing out the flawed logic of you're "it's legal do it's not bad" argument.

a sperm is a living being that results in a full human life IF the person did what god intended and landed it on an egg. since you not only didn't fulfill the last part, you already denied the life of a child AND you killed the sperm.

Oh, now its safe to bring God into it?

First, biology- any biologist will tell you that a sperm does not have the full genetic code required to reproduce and develop into a human. Neither does a lone egg. Otherwise, women would be inadvertently commiting murder every time they have a period. It is only when a man and a women both make a specific choice to have sex and let the sperm fertilize the egg that a life is brought into existence.

If you want God involved, sperm do not have souls, but fetuses do! If it's a human soul that defines a life, which is a pretty good line in the sand to draw, then no argument that a fetus is not a human holds ANY water.

sure! game on! any scientific evidence of a soul's existence?

a sperm is "half" the code, half the life. You're still a killer when you spill seed, only you deserve half the punishment of killing a fully conceived human.

I wasn't saying the soul is proved by human scientists. You brought God into this, and I was saying why abortion is even more wrong given the existence of God.

Now onto a sperm: A sperm is a living cell, but not yet human. Spilling seed would be comparable to cutting tiny pieces of a tree off. It only creates a human life with human rights once it fertilizes an egg. Otherwise, getting the snip or just existing too long would be a bunch of half murders, as you say.

Biden was right there are religious conservatives who do suck the blood out of babies. These practices have been going on for a very long time and I don't think you would consider religious people to be liberals.

He said some conservatives think he's sucking the blood out of children. Either way, this was just a joke. I know he doesn't suck blood out of children lol

A sperm is not a conceived child. You are the one that needs to talk to a biologist.

*so

Nobody likes abortion silly. but it's necessary. Just like hunting or eating meat from the grocery store.

Nobody's forcing you to have an abortion. But the average woman only has one in her whole life. You need to get something better to do with your time like appreciate science more.

Al fetus is not a child. Argue with scientific definitions all you want.

Life begins at masturbation. You're killing a living sperm which is half a life. You should go to jail for 50% of the time as killing a fully live person.

Nobody is forcing men to have sex without a condom or getting the snip.

even when it was NOT legal, abortion was a good thing.

Nobody is forcing a woman to have an abortion, but I know for sure that it's being forced on the child being killed. Whatever happened to the left claiming to stand up for the little guy?

As I said before, it is still a living stage of human development just like a child, teen, or adult

I'm done. You're bloodlust for children is beyond reason

Is seriousness, though, there are people who celebrate abortions:

https://youtu.be/H8J74lmbc-U

https://youtu.be/iTfOPnW8z4M

*SATIRE*