Ask yourself. 10 years ago, would you take horse dewormer for what you THOUGHT was "the common cold?"

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well first of all, they're not a majority, and second, they're not nearly silent. i'd prefer they not die, but they never take my advice. and why would i want to turn communist?

i'm giving you an F, but at least you tried. now try harder, kid.

oh ok. i'm a science professor and you don't have your facts straight. but somehow you're giving me homework? (lol and eyeroll)

they got degrees. do you have a degree? i have a PhD. you think it's about history, but it's not. even if you had a degree, we argue from facts and ideas, not from talking points and diverting the focus. we win arguments by being right. you'll need to start from there.

I got a legit cold a few weeks ago (got tested...came back negative...no antibodies...which is irksome because I wanted those immunities...) and my already-present germ paranoia skyrocketed. That said...I pounded orange juice, not ivermectin, haha.

Homeopathy is one thing, tanking dewormer for a virus, is another

Oh taking ivermectin for this is, near as I can tell, freaking stupid. No argument.

I have been saying it for a while now, that flimsy cloth mask simply isn't enough. We need better gear!
Now my family and I has covid. Despite wearing the mask when we go out we still got it. We haven't been vaccinated yet. Wasn't sure on which one and we have been hearing of people getting vaccinated and dying. And it doesn't help that now they are saying, even with the second dose of vaccine, it is really only good for three months. That is what the doc told my Uncle who got his shot. I read on an article it was good for six months. Three or six months isn't good for a vaccine, who wants to pump themselves full of booster shots every three months? How healthy is that?

Is your title supposed to be a jab at those who downplays covid as being like a common cold?
I was quite the opposite, I thought it was a bio weapon. All the mutations, it affects so many people differently, it does targets so many different parts of your body. The Cold or the Flu mostly does everyone the same, not Covid though.
I will say this for what it's worth, no one, not even the government has been taking it seriously. They closed some things down in the beginning but allowed other things like restaurants to stay open. All the protests. Not much was said about exercising or eating healthy which does have an effect on covid.

Dairy products produces more phlegm. Drinking warm water is advised because it loosens the gunk in your throat. Also breath in you nose and out your mouth is supposed to prevent fluid buildup on your lungs. Do not lay on your back, side or stomach only, also to prevent fluid buildup. Also walk around moving your arms every so often helps prevent fluid buildup.

My mom found something on Facebook posted by someone who hadn't had covid but was sharing some advice from someone who did have covid and it was what a nurse told that person to do. The above was some of the advice on the paper, given time, I might can get the full thing. It was the Nurse's advice on how to fight covid at home. It's good to know some people has a battle plan that is more than just wear a flimsy mask and stay 6 feet apart.
Just to emphasize once more, we need better masks!

"I have been saying it for a while now, that flimsy cloth mask simply isn't enough. We need better gear!
Now my family and I has covid. Despite wearing the mask when we go out we still got it.
>> Probably because: 1) Masks don't stop you from getting it. They stop you from spreading it. Why do you think surgeons wear masks in sterile environments? 2) You were probably in close proximity with someone who had it and wasn't masked.

We haven't been vaccinated yet. Wasn't sure on which one and we have been hearing of people getting vaccinated and dying.
>> Only 3 people have died as a result of getting the vaccine and that was Johnson and Johnson, which has been fixed.

And it doesn't help that now they are saying, even with the second dose of vaccine, it is really only good for three months. That is what the doc told my Uncle who got his shot. I read on an article it was good for six months. Three or six months isn't good for a vaccine, who wants to pump themselves full of booster shots every three months? How healthy is that?
>> Yeah, you're right. If everyone vaccinated when they were supposed to that wouldn't have been an issue.

Is your title supposed to be a jab at those who downplays covid as being like a common cold?
>>Yep and others.
I was quite the opposite, I thought it was a bio weapon. All the mutations, it affects so many people differently, it does targets so many different parts of your body. The Cold or the Flu mostly does everyone the same, not Covid though.
>> So, the gov't supplies you with a defense and you don't take it? That's special.

I will say this for what it's worth, no one, not even the government has been taking it seriously. They closed some things down in the beginning but allowed other things like restaurants to stay open. All the protests. Not much was said about exercising or eating healthy which does have an effect on covid.
>> I believe you're highly misinformed on that point.

Just to emphasize once more, we need better masks!
>> Or, you could social distance/stay at home. We don't need better masks, we need less anti-vaxxers.

"Probably because: 1) Masks don't stop you from getting it. They stop you from spreading it. Why do you think surgeons wear masks in sterile environments? 2) You were probably in close proximity with someone who had it and wasn't masked."
Amazing, a mask works one way but not another. If it is good enough to block you from spreading the virus it is good enough to stop others from giving it to you. Come on man, that is just to get people to think of others and wear the mask. In any case, the Army tear gas mask will stop both ways.
Actually it was my dad who got it from someone who was vaccinated. They was around some others who got covid and now they all got covid. People thinks that getting vaxxed allows them to be haphazard with covid, it doesn't.

"Yeah, you're right. If everyone vaccinated when they were supposed to that wouldn't have been an issue."
So if everyone gets the vaccine you won't have to get a booster every three months?

"So, the gov't supplies you with a defense and you don't take it? That's special."
Which defense are we talking about, the vaccine or the mask? The government has taken some things seriously but also allowed things they shouldn't have. In the beginning, in Ky anyways, there was a lot of blame being put on the church for spreading it. So churches we told to close during quarantine regardless if they wore masks, regardless if there was only a few, regardless if it was outside or not. Ignoring the Constitutional overstep, being a pandemic, I could see the reason to such a course of action. But when restaurants are allowed to stay open, and people think it is safe to eat out, and protests in large numbers. It is going to spread.

"I believe you're highly misinformed on that point."
Absolutely not. Being in shape can help lessen the effects of covid, the doc told my mom that the more obese one is the harder the effects of covid will be. The government should have emphasized the need to eat healthy and exercise and for the love of all things good close down unhealthy fast food chains like supersize me McDonald's. At least until covid is under control.

I will probably be getting the vax in the future, but how soon after getting over covid should you get it?
Which has been another hesitation for my getting it, with every headache or scratchy throat I thought I was getting covid and didn't know what reaction it would have if you get the shot while you have or are getting covid.

1/ A lot of logical fallacies in your reasoning.
"Amazing, a mask works one way but not another. If it is good enough to block you from spreading the virus it is good enough to stop others from giving it to you. Come on man, that is just to get people to think of others and wear the mask. In any case, the Army tear gas mask will stop both ways."
Moving the goal posts are we? You were talking about, as you said, "a flimsy cloth mask."

Actually it was my dad who got it from someone who was vaccinated. They was around some others who got covid and now they all got covid. People thinks that getting vaxxed allows them to be haphazard with covid, it doesn't.
>> Noting the anecdotal evidence, let's explore that... So, you think that the people who are vaccinated should be careful? Because they did what they should have done? It seems that all the anti-science community does is place blame on others so they take no personal responsibility. Before the vaccine it was "If you're an at risk, stay home, don't tread on muh freedoms." Now it's "If you're vaccinated, be more careful, while I don't take any precautions myself. (i.e. muh freedoms at the expense of yours.)" So, you can sit down now.

Which defense are we talking about, the vaccine or the mask?
>> Both.

The government has taken some things seriously but also allowed things they shouldn't have.
>> Ah, now we're delving into whataboutisms about semi-unrelated topics to, again, displace blame so you don't have to take personal responsibility. In essence "Well, so what if I didn't, the government didn't either." That's fine, that's the government. We can deal with that later. What does the government have to do with YOUR lack of proactive initiative that prevents you from your due diligence? Is it BECAUSE the gov't doesn't take it seriously that you don't? Sounds like an inability to think for one's self.

Absolutely not. Being in shape can help lessen the effects of covid, the doc told my mom that the more obese one is the harder the effects of covid will be. The government should have emphasized the need to eat healthy and exercise and for the love of all things good close down unhealthy fast food chains like supersize me McDonald's. At least until covid is under control.
>> No, you're misinformed on the point of the government "not taking it seriously."

Part 3

"Only 3 people have died as a result of getting the vaccine and that was Johnson and Johnson, which has been fixed."

You insult me, you insult everyone who has lost loved ones to cancer, you insult everyone who has died to cancer, and you insult everyone who has cancer.

You mean to tell me that in the timespan of a little over a year medical professionals have made a very effective (90 something%) vaccine against a virus that doctors still don't know what all it can do to a person, with only three casualties from said vaccine?
Poppycock! Absolute Poppycock!

That would be a f**king miracle drug and mankind just isn't capable of producing something that good that quick. These things take time and trial and error. If they can create something that good for something that appeared not two years ago why in seven thundering hells have they not developed a vaccine for cancer!
Why do they not advance beyond treatments that even when discovered early cancer still claims many lives. Why do they not advance beyond major surgeries such as removing the majority or one's lower jaw due to oral cancer. Causing them to suffer for nine months unable to eat, drink or talk! My Uncle died from oral cancer. And during the last couple months after finding out that they didn't get it and it was growing bigger than ever, his head was swelling, both eyes swelled and bulged out so he went blind on top of not being able to eat and talk. He was trapped inside a world of unimaginable suffering.
So why don't they create a vaccine for cancer if they have the ability to understand a new virus so well as to make a vaccine with a 90something% effectiveness and only three out of the millions who took it died from side effects.
It's because unhealthiness is profitable.

Instead of piggybacking the media and acting like there is some miracle vaccine you should have said something closer to the truth. Or at least, I hope it is the truth.
There have been people who got sick from taking the vaccine, and sadly some died, but the CDC WHO and other health professionals are aware of this and are working tirelessly to make it right. For the sake of humanity, our posterity, we need people to keep taking the vaccine because it does help and in order to make a better vaccine we need more studies.

I dare say many people would take it if the media, the government, and people like you said it like that instead of "only three people died". You build trust with honesty not lies. U

1/ You insult me, you insult everyone who has lost loved ones to cancer, you insult everyone who has died to cancer, and you insult everyone who has cancer.
>> How do you figure I am insulting my grandmother?

You mean to tell me that in the timespan of a little over a year medical professionals have made a very effective (90 something%) vaccine against a virus that doctors still don't know what all it can do to a person, with only three casualties from said vaccine?
Poppycock! Absolute Poppycock!
>> 20 years, we had CoViD-02 at the start of the century. So we had that to work with. And yes, only three casualties as a result from taking the vaccine. More have died *AFTER* taking the vaccine, though the vaccine could not be directly linked to their deaths as there were too many variables to say concretely whether or not the vaccine was to blame.

That would be a f**king miracle drug and mankind just isn't capable of producing something that good that quick. These things take time and trial and error. If they can create something that good for something that appeared not two years ago why in seven thundering hells have they not developed a vaccine for cancer!
>> This is why people shouldn't armchair their PhDs and say they know better than their doctor, because I wouldn't have to deal with really uneducated comments like that. Allow me to edcuate you. First, we did have trial and error, phases one, two and three, which are required for any vaccine for standard authorization. Second, we've been dealing with COVID for longer that 20 years, it just came in different strains. You only know about this strain as it now effectively targets humans. Third, Cancer is not a virus. You can't vaccinate against something that isn't a virus. Just like you can't use an anti-parasite medicine against a virus (ivermectin)

2/
Why do they not advance beyond treatments that even when discovered early cancer still claims many lives. Why do they not advance beyond major surgeries such as removing the majority or one's lower jaw due to oral cancer. Causing them to suffer for nine months unable to eat, drink or talk! My Uncle died from oral cancer. And during the last couple months after finding out that they didn't get it and it was growing bigger than ever, his head was swelling, both eyes swelled and bulged out so he went blind on top of not being able to eat and talk. He was trapped inside a world of unimaginable suffering.
>> I get it dude, my grandmother died of lung cancer after successfully beating it back. Cancer is a disease in which some of the body’s cells grow uncontrollably and spread to other parts of the body.
Cancer can start almost anywhere in the human body, which is made up of trillions of cells. Normally, human cells grow and multiply (through a process called cell division) to form new cells as the body needs them. When cells grow old or become damaged, they die, and new cells take their place.

So why don't they create a vaccine for cancer if they have the ability to understand a new virus so well as to make a vaccine with a 90something% effectiveness and only three out of the millions who took it died from side effects.
>> Please show me the data that portrays millions dying to side effects, this is misinformation. I will help you understand the data. But, if you wanna sit here and continue making that claim as fact, you aren't welcome in this stream.
It's because unhealthiness is profitable.
>> On one hand we have the right wing yelling out "F**K SOCIALISM F**K COMMUNISM LONG LIVE CAPITALISM." Yet, when Capitalism happens, they get mad. Go figure.

Instead of piggybacking the media and acting like there is some miracle vaccine you should have said something closer to the truth. Or at least, I hope it is the truth.
>> I don't speak in truths, I speak in facts. Nuanced difference. Do you want me to explain it to you, or do you wanna google it?

3/ There have been people who got sick from taking the vaccine, and sadly some died, but the CDC WHO and other health professionals are aware of this and are working tirelessly to make it right. For the sake of humanity, our posterity, we need people to keep taking the vaccine because it does help and in order to make a better vaccine we need more studies.
>> Data is constantly being recorded, they've never stopped. They're always analyzing the data. Any vaccine that poses a significant danger to the patient is pulled from the shelf. Johnson and Johnson lost millions of vaccines when they had to pull their stock.
But, unhealthiness is profitable, right?
I dare say many people would take it if the media, the government, and people like you said it like that instead of "only three people died". You build trust with honesty not lies.
>> You build trust also with tenure, credentials, education, and experience. The media conveys what the CDC says (or the FDA) and those are comprised of renowned Doctors of their fields, experts, you might say. People wanted Trump in the Whitehouse cuz he was a business man. Perfect man for the job, right? Yet, when it comes to Doctors who are specialists in their field, people don't trust them. Serious double standards there. THe problem is, a lot of this appears like lies because FOX, OAN, and the Right wing politicians propagate these lies, banking on the lack of knowledge in the field for where they're spreading the lies. And it's working.
Tell me, why has no one in congress died of the vaccine? If it was so dangerous.

Part 4

I dare say many people would take it if the media, the government, and people like you said it like that instead of "only three people died". You build trust with honesty not lies. Unless your audience is just a bunch of brainwashed sods who believes anything you say. But then I would reiterate what you said, "Sounds like an inability to think for one's self".

I don't mind being a lab rat for a noble cause as long as it is acknowledged. But when people don't realize it, the deaths and sickness of people due to vaccines is being brushed aside as "misinformation". When people refuse to acknowledge that healthy eating and exercise is helpful and can not hurt during a pandemic, even keeping unhealthy fast food restaurants open during quarantine. When the media makes up ridiculous reasons of how protestors don't spread covid. After so many denials, deceit, and inconsistencies I am supposed to mindlessly take a rushed up vaccine without second thought.

I dare say many people would take it if the media, the government, and people like you said it like that instead of "only three people died". You build trust with honesty not lies. Unless your audience is just a bunch of brainwashed sods who believes anything you say. But then I would reiterate what you said, "Sounds like an inability to think for one's self".
>> There's a stark difference between knowing how something works and following along with it, and not knowing how a process works and following what other people say. You're part of the latter. Otherwise you would that we are past the "rushed stage" even though both EUA and standard authorization both require phases one through three for testing before it can be distributed.

I don't mind being a lab rat for a noble cause as long as it is acknowledged.
>> You're not a lab rat. But if you're referring to them recording data as they administer vaccines, the thing about the medical community is that they never stop recording data for any medicine or treatment. Everything is recorded. So you're kind of experiencing Shrodinger's cat here. You're both at the same time a labrat and not a labrat. Depending on how you look at the situation. A more accurate representation of your labrat paranoia would be if you were part of phase 1-3 of testing, which you weren't.
But when people don't realize it, the deaths and sickness of people due to vaccines is being brushed aside as "misinformation".
>> So put the proof to the pudding. Where's the deaths? Show me the data.

When people refuse to acknowledge that healthy eating and exercise is helpful and can not hurt during a pandemic, even keeping unhealthy fast food restaurants open during quarantine.
>> Show me where any govnerment or medical authority figure says that it "is unhelpful and can hurt."

When the media makes up ridiculous reasons of how protestors don't spread covid.
>> The data was easier to Track with Trump's rallies where people attending maskless, packed like sardines, where as protesters mostly wore masks. 1) Because they didnt want to be identified. 2) Because of COVID.

After so many denials, deceit, and inconsistencies I am supposed to mindlessly take a rushed up vaccine without second thought.
>> THere are inconsistencies and deceit, but it isn't coming from the medical community as they HAVE been consistent. The inconsistencies is misconstrued data by the right wing.

Now, start putting your money where your mouth is and supply the data.

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I will probably be getting the vax in the future, but how soon after getting over covid should you get it?
>> Ask your doctor.

Which has been another hesitation for my getting it, with every headache or scratchy throat I thought I was getting covid and didn't know what reaction it would have if you get the shot while you have or are getting covid.
>> Easy fix, stop being exposed to other people for 72 hours, then get tested, wait for results to come in. Once the test comes back negative, go get the vaccine. It's just common sense.

Come on, man.

Part 1

I really should have waited until I got feeling better before I bothered with comments on this damned site. I failed to address so many of your points.

"Ah, now we're delving into whataboutisms about semi-unrelated topics to, again, displace blame so you don't have to take personal responsibility. In essence "Well, so what if I didn't, the government didn't either." That's fine, that's the government. We can deal with that later. What does the government have to do with YOUR lack of proactive initiative that prevents you from your due diligence? Is it BECAUSE the gov't doesn't take it seriously that you don't? Sounds like an inability to think for one's self."

So as long as one gets the vaccine they are doing as much as possible to fight covid? Piss on eating healthy and exercise, that's just "whataboutism". Nevermind all the doctors who said eating healthy boosts one's immunity, nevermind the health professionals who said exercise helps boosts one's immunity. A virus that affects one's lungs and heart will have a worse effect on obese people, doctors said this. Nevermind all the science experiments and tests that have proved this to be true. But because I am hesitant to take a rushed up vaccine I am the science denier.
You might want to consider what YOU and others are denying.
And before you go talking about what I am doing let me say I wear the mask and I regularly go no where. I don't go out to eat, party, or socialize, I work on a farm where I live so I don't go to public work, and I am a virgin who's been single all my life.
How many women have you slept around with during covid? How many party / gatherings anything beyond doctor, groceries, or job have you went to.
I wash off groceries, all of them, do you?
Do you do anything extra or do you just do the bear minimum, take a vaccine and expect it to be a cure all?

"So, you think that the people who are vaccinated should be careful?"

Yes. If one is sick, regardless of vaccinated or not, one should stay at home. Are you going to deny this too?

+Is your title supposed to be a jab at those who downplays covid as being like a common cold?
>>"Yep and others."

How interesting considering that vaccinated people say covid is like a little cold once one has been vaccinated. Yet despite that they are still afraid of ones who hasn't been vaccinated?

So as long as one gets the vaccine they are doing as much as possible to fight covid? Piss on eating healthy and exercise, that's just "whataboutism". Nevermind all the doctors who said eating healthy boosts one's immunity, nevermind the health professionals who said exercise helps boosts one's immunity. A virus that affects one's lungs and heart will have a worse effect on obese people, doctors said this. Nevermind all the science experiments and tests that have proved this to be true. But because I am hesitant to take a rushed up vaccine I am the science denier.
>> Funny that now you're saying "Rushed up vaccine" when it has now gone through all the steps for standard authorization. Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. You're the denier in that you're refusing to take the most biologically effective method at disease prevention. Certainly exercise and a healthy diet *help* but they don't stop you from getting it, and dying from it. Delta variant comes at a higher viral load, thus why it's more effective at infecting adults and children. Clearly, you have a PhD. Clearly, the top advice that all doctors give is "Get vaccinated." They don't say "Get out and work out." Because, you know, that's not the best defense.

You might want to consider what YOU and others are denying.
And before you go talking about what I am doing let me say I wear the mask and I regularly go no where. I don't go out to eat, party, or socialize, I work on a farm where I live so I don't go to public work, and I am a virgin who's been single all my life.
How many women have you slept around with during covid?
>> One.
How many party / gatherings anything
>> Three, back in spring when infection rate was the lowest it had ever been.
beyond doctor, groceries, or job have you went to.
I wash off groceries, all of them, do you?
>> I mean, not that you or I could prove it. Yes, we wash all of our produce.

Do you do anything extra or do you just do the bear minimum, take a vaccine and expect it to be a cure all?
>> Taking the vaccine is hardly the biological bare minimum, from a medical standpoint. It's actually the best and most effective in its purpose. Exercise and a healthy diet, while good in practice, are the bare minimum. It's like asking a child to clean their room, and they organize their mess into neat piles on the floor. Good to be organized, but it doesn't really take care of the problem as it's still a mess. Good that you get a diet and exercise, still vulnerable

Part 2

"It seems that all the anti-science community does is place blame on others so they take no personal responsibility."

Again, denying the significant benefits of eating healthy and exercising is denying science. But I should just stop spreading misinformation, take the jab, go back to eating McDonalds and vaping am I right?

"don't tread on muh freedoms"

Oh I know you fellas don't give a dusty rats ass about freedom and censorship but my issue here isn't about freedom, so you sit down. It's about trust.
People like you, the media, and the government refuse to acknowledge the importance of eating healthy and exercise as added benefits to fight against covid and other sickness. Drinking water just might save your kidneys from shutting down with covid, and drink cranberry juice too. But no what happens is gyms are closed, McDonald's is left open and the governor of KY says it is okay to eat out but one shouldn't have any parties / gatherings. Am I the only one who sees the inconsistencies there? There are more inconsistencies too. People refusing to acknowledge these issues while saying "just get the vaccine" does not build trust.

"Sounds like an inability to think for one's self."

Says the one who believes only three people died due to complications from a rushed up experimental vaccine.

"It seems that all the anti-science community does is place blame on others so they take no personal responsibility."

Again, denying the significant benefits of eating healthy and exercising is denying science. But I should just stop spreading misinformation, take the jab, go back to eating McDonalds and vaping am I right?
>> Yeah, not mincing words anymore. Yup. You're the science denier as you're cherry picking medical safety precautions.

"don't tread on muh freedoms"
Oh I know you fellas don't give a dusty rats ass about freedom and censorship but my issue here isn't about freedom, so you sit down. It's about trust.
>> Right, we don't care about freedom. How's that law in Texas going? Oh right, still pushing to take away freedom. Censorship? Right, so how many legislations in each state have called for the censorship of anyone who opposed Trump? And how many have been called for who supported? Oh wait, you're talking about Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, and Google. Tell me, what branch of government are they in? Idiot. You're barking at the wrong tree.

People like you, the media, and the government refuse to acknowledge the importance of eating healthy and exercise as added benefits to fight against covid and other sickness. Drinking water just might save your kidneys from shutting down with covid, and drink cranberry juice too.
>> If you knew how COVID affected the Kidneys, you'd know that you're trying to slow down a freight train with a BB gun. Causing the production of more fluid does not reduce the inflammation that your Kidneys suffer. It simply makes them back up faster. True enough, you're keeping toxins out of your body, but that's simply not enough.

But no what happens is gyms are closed,
>> You need a gym to exercise?

McDonald's is left open and the governor of KY says it is okay to eat out but one shouldn't have any parties / gatherings. Am I the only one who sees the inconsistencies there?
>> Depends. Are you allowed to eat in? Are people working out in McDonalds taking huge breaths and expelling them?

There are more inconsistencies too. People refusing to acknowledge these issues while saying "just get the vaccine" does not build trust.
>> Getting the vaccine is both the minimum and the most you could do with a singular 30 second action.

"Sounds like an inability to think for one's self."

Says the one who believes only three people died due to complications from a rushed up experimental vaccine.
>> Who died directly as a result.*