It be like that.

I don't know what point you're trying to make, and suspect at least one logical fallacy was committed while you were arriving at said point.

This is entirely logical fallacy, memes are inherently logically fallacious. Just like the meme where a baby is displayed and begging the viewer not to kill (abort) them.

Turn about is fair play in this context.

Sorry, I was trying to play into that for the purposes of raising a laugh, but my comment may have been a little too deadpan.

Yeah, deadpan/sarcasm is -really- hard for me to read over the internet, let alone face-to-face.

It was especially hard because the meme itself made the comment true, so yeah that was a foul on my part in terms of delivery...I miss sarcasm often as well and empathize all too much.

I actually recently googled on what makes a good meme. There a couple points that I am going to be working on in the future. Memes are usually either one of the following: a comment on current issues, comedy, relatable, etc., etc., So I am going to try to get the combo score and hit all heads on the mark.

I made this meme because I saw a billboard in town that had a picture of a fetus/baby and said something to the effect of "Mommy, please don't kill me."

I felt sick with that bullshit and wanted to make a meme that was constructed in the same way that used the same tactics. It is petty, it is tit for tat. But as I said, when it comes to meme warfare, turnabout is fair play.

A sign with a baby saying, "Thanks for thinking of me these past nine months!" or something similar would be awesome to see. I'd help pay to put it up. But the message has to match the image, as you noted. Pretty sure everyone agrees that killing a baby after it's born is freaking wrong.

More to your point; I can make solid memes for anything non-political, but once it turns political then I'm flat outta ideas. It makes war in the Politics/PoliticsTOO trenches difficult. lol

On the notion that babies have been killed after surviving abortion... I have heard of these cases. They are below 1% of abortions. This is only done because for a baby to survive abortion is flat out excruciating for the infant and a two-week death sentence. Tops. There may have been one or two babies who lived longer... but the odds of this happening in the first place are already so low it's not worth the argument to address that extreme example. Resuscitation of a baby after surviving abortion is also really painful as to do chest compressions usually cracks the ribs of the one being resuscitated.

The one thing I can't stand is much of the right thinks that anyone gets excited about having an abortion, or that people look forward to it. I can understand rape/incest cases being the exception to looking forward to be rid of that... but I don't think people who do it for economic reasons actually look forward to it as they're held back from having a child because of money. That really sucks.

Yeah, the issue with the Pro-Life movement is we're marred by the Anti-Choice movement, which is the moniker I've given to the f*****g idiots who do nothing but shame women and scream things like, "Keep your legs closed next time!".

That accomplishes nothing but degrade the woman involved. Then they go on further to hurt the movement by focusing on things like post-birth deaths. As you noted, those are not only so rare as to be more hindrance than help in terms of how it impacts perception of the matter, but it's arguable that in many cases it's not really a good cause. I 100% think any human being who can be resuscitated and live a normal, natural life deserves that, but at what point do our good intentions turn into torture for a being doomed to die anyways? The concept of 'mercy killing' is another ethical bucket of worms, but wholly different from acknowledging that someone is doomed and prolonging the suffering by staving off death is morally compromised.

As you noted, most people presumably don't want to get an abortion, and instead feel they have to do it for a myriad of external pressures. Unless we understand this, no progress on the matter will be made because we'll just be shifting the problems around, not solving them overall.

One thing I always try to bring up when discussing abortion is the issue of the future of the child; what good is it saving their life if we drag the parent(s) into economic disaster as well? Some folks simply can't afford another child, and for all the, "I took on a second job to cover the costs." stories there are just as many, "I couldn't bear to kill him/her, but it cost me my job and now I'm destitute." to match. To that end, I think we need to seriously revamp and improve our foster care systems. I can only support ending abortion if we ensure these kids are being put in systems that look out for their well-being as best as possible. Being Pro-Life, at its core after all, is about respecting the dignity that everyone deserves throughout their lifetime. Couples who truly can't raise a kid need to be given an outlet that protects that kid's right to life while relieving the financial strain.

(I really didn't mean to preach here, but this is about as succinctly as I can put my position on the matter.)

"I couldn't bear to kill him/her, but it cost me my job and now I'm destitute." to match. To that end, I think we need to seriously revamp and improve our foster care systems. I can only support ending abortion if we ensure these kids are being put in systems that look out for their well-being as best as possible. Being Pro-Life, at its core after all, is about respecting the dignity that everyone deserves throughout their lifetime. Couples who truly can't raise a kid need to be given an outlet that protects that kid's right to life while relieving the financial strain.

With that, I would argue we need better social programs that enable parents to keep their kids. Some countries pay the parents a wage to raise their child. Maybe they scrutinze the parents more to balance it. *shrug.* I also know that other countries pay for child care so you can continue being the best you. Whether that's keeping your job, continuying education... whatever. When countries invest in their people moreso than the businesses that run the country, the businesses will naturally do just as well, just under better standards and you'll start out performing other countries in the long run.

That's also another great idea that I completely forgot to mention, but yes. Tax credits or cash stipends for children (more so than the dependent exemptions you can claim today) would be another great way to help solve the issue.

I agree.