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As compared with what?

what?

Any other system. A notable example is the ottoman and Turkish empire. That ended in one of history’s worst genocides.

Not nearly as bad as atheistic communist governments.

In most communist countries the aspect of socialism or communism is not the problem with the government. Authoritarianism/surveillance is not actually required for socialism or communism. You would seriously rather have a government that systemically kills and segregates against members of a certain religion than have socialism?

Yes, because historically, communism is far, far bloodier, you dumb f**k.

I didn't say communism I said socialism which is just about providing government services to the poor. The killings by the Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean governments are really from those countries authoritarian ideas have nothing to do with communist philosophy. Killing political dissenters and mass surveillance are not parts of communist philosophy.

And yet every communist society ends up doing those things. It’s almost as if the ideology were inherently violent!

It’s not. Have you read the manifesto? Also you are clearly ignoring socialist countries like Denmark and Finland when you make these statements. Those countries have stable economies and good social benefits.

Does the government own the means of production in those countries?

What is wrong with an atheist government?

Other than mass murder on a scale never before imagined? Not much, I suppose.

You're cherrypicking. There are so many functioning atheist governments while there are virtually no functioning theocratic governments.

Secular =/= atheist, you moron.

Atheist just means that someone does not believe in any deity. Communal living was not created by atheists. It predates Marx by a couple millennia.

I wasn’t talking about “communal living”. I was talking about 20th century communist governments, which are Marxist & therefore atheist. Stop trying to confuse the issue.

stop trying to generalize all atheism and communal philosophies

I’m not, you stupid lying slime. I am talking about specific governments espousing specific philosophies. You are the one trying to confuse & obfuscate.

I meant secular

You said atheist. You should learn to say what you mean.

And no government any place, any time has ever been as destructive and bloody to their own population as atheistic communist governments.

Clearly

Says the moron who can’t tell the difference between secular and atheist.

that's a way smaller difference.

Not all atheists are communists, but communism is an atheist ideology. This is simple fact. I’m not confusing the two. I’m pointing out that one is a subset of the other.

Secular is neutral on religion. Atheist is actively opposed to it. That is not a subset. Those are two different categories.

No, there are many atheists who aren’t communists, but communism *is* an atheist ideology, and trying to pretend there is no connection is grossly dishonest.

Stop lying, bitch. Communism has always been officially atheistic.

Not all atheists are communists, but communism is an atheist ideology.

There is a statement of difference.

Also you do realize that Christians invented communism right? Because Jesus was a commie.

No, he wasn’t, you dumb f**k.

yeah he was. "Go, sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure and heaven." Mark 10:21-22 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god." Mark 10:25" "No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money." Matthew 6:24. I'm an atheist but I like comrade Jesus.

And none of that is communism, you imbecile.

In what way is it not. Also the Bible talks about communal living a lot.

Does he say that the government should force you to do this?