This is the dystopian future that the Sci Fi movies depicted except it is the left who is causing it. It always was the left.

Because in giant corporations, every individual matters. That's why they pay the workers as little as possible

You can leave a corporation and look for a better job. You cant exactly just leave the country and try to join a better one.

You rarely can leave a corporation without losing your livelihood. There are only so many jobs

That's not true either. I've left several companies looking for better pay, better work environment, etc. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination. I don't even have a Bachelor's degree but I have been a computer programer/software developer for over 30 years.

It is all about how you market yourself and perseverance.

Or, y'know, you got lucky. Especially given that you have job experience.

There's always a little luck whenever you get a job but it was mostly perseverance. I had several programming classes at a community college. I also started at a computer support guy at a small company and I looked for opportunities to try to write code.

Before that I was a CAD drafter and I got to do some programming with AutoCAD. I had gotten an Associate's degrees in drafting.

You just have push yourself. Set a goal of what you want to do, get training in it and then start bugging companies by applying for jobs.

Or you can do what my dad did during the great depression. He grow picking cotton but after High school he had had enough of that. He moved to a city and just went door to door at every business looking for a job. Eventually he went into a plumbing shop that hired him. It wasn't long before he had become the president of his local plumbers union and was running his own business.

A 'little' luck. Do you want to know how many jobless people there are in the US? And again, your Dad did well. What about pretty much everyone else? One janitor had a good idea. Every janitor can become a CEO. These all happened when social mobility was still fairly high. How many hardworking people are there who never got rewarded? The guy who proved that sugar causes obesity died penniless. Nikola Tesla. Oskar Schindler (Not the best, but certainly worked hard for a respectable cause). Oscar Wilde (lost his earnings because he wasn't straight). Vincent Van Gogh. Edgar Allan Poe. Alan Turing. Joe Louis. Matthew Brady. Franz Schubert. William Blake. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Johannes Vermeer. Stephen Foster. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. Maria Mozart (Mozart's sister and by all accounts, a better pianist than him). Jefferson (He worked very hard to plant all of those crops). James Madison. The Harlem Hellfighters were an all-black regiment sent by the US and commanded by the French. The fact that the Germans nicknamed them Hellfighters says it all. And when they came home, they were not only denied any sort of veterans welfare, they were even denied medals. They were awarded French Croix de Guerre, but no US medals. All US medals were awarded after people discovered racism was bad

First of all there is nothing sure in this world. Lots of people get rich and then lose everything and many work and get it all back. Most people in the world die penniless or with very few pennies. That happens. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people just as good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.

If you are looking for some type of security in this world then good luck. The best you can do is work and be your best. There are no guarantees that you will get rich or go broke. Some people have a knack for finding niches that no one else can see and they do well with that.

The government is the absolute biggest blockade to success. Both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are well aware that if they had started their businesses in the 2000's or later they would not have been successful. The most likely would have crashed and burned.

Very few will ever get rich and stay rich. It seems like there are people who we look at at being perpetually rich, Bloomberg, Gates, Buffet, etc. Those people either have made deals with the government to prop up their businesses when revenues are down or they are very shrewd. The vast majority of those who get rich don't always stay rich. They may not go broke but the fluctuate up and down all of the time.

Just like us poor shlubs who sometimes can pay all of our bills on time and other times we can't pay any. We fluctuate also.

It is a constant struggle.

Then there is the government. Governments, all governments, have always been the biggest obstacle to an individuals success. Some governments purposely keep people in poverty. Most governments make it nearly impossible to get ahead.

Anyway... If you want to succeed then you have to work like it all depends on you. If you never make it then look at what you have accomplished. If that still isn't enough then either figure out what you are doing wrong or reset your goals.

Attitude makes up for a whole lot. The Frito Lay guy was uneducated and barely spoke English but he had a good attitude. Either read the book or watch the movie, "The Pursuit of Happyness" by Chris Gardiner. The movie is a true story. With so much anti-capitalism in Hollywood I am floored that they would make that movie. Gardiner went from homeless to rich without the government or anyone else. He had the right attitude.

Key word here: most. If run correctly, a government can help people out of poverty. Again, take Scandinavia as an example. We have a working model. Why not use it? Because it disadvantages big businesses, so they lobby the US government to keep the poor poor.

The Frito Lay guy had an opportunity and he took it. Many people didn't get opportunity. Many had potential in different positions. Some people try to sabotage you. Some people have great ideas but have them stolen. Some people are kept from rewards because of their gender, sexuality or race. Their were people there who simply lost money, but there are some people who were never rewarded. Turing. Maria Mozart. Tesla. van Gogh. The Hellfighters. Some people get lucky. Some people find an investor. Many people don't. Turing likely saved millions of lives and is the reason you have your computer. He was given forced 'treatment' for his homosexuality and committed suicide because of the effects it had on his body. Tesla just lost out because he was an immigrant. Hedy Lamarr invented frequency-hopping spread spectrum, but was never credited for her invention because she was a woman. She still made it rich, as she was an actress, but was still never credited. Maria Mozart lost out because she was a woman. Van gogh lost out because people thought he was possessed. Joe Louis was a black boxer, but was subject to so much racism that he never really made it.

No government at any time has helped people out of poverty. Governments create poverty. You cannot steal money from one group of people and give it to another and lift people out of poverty. Wealth redistribution is a failure and only creates more poverty.

Scandinavia is NOT the model to emulate. While none of those countries are 100% Socialist they are more Socialist than we are. If you want prosperity then you have to run the opposite direction of Socialism. Socialism gives you Venezuela.

The ONLY economic system to lift people out of poverty is free market economics. Get the government out of our way and upward mobility will skyrocket. Nothing will be able to stop anyone from prospering.

I refer you to my lower comment

I know that calling nordic countries socialist is dead wrong. Just some people aren't aware of that.

I certainly agree with no.10. The US government has a history of being involved in dodgy affairs.

I also agree with no.4

And honestly, the current most desirable feature is the healthcare. Doctors are paid for the quality of their work (unlike the US). All the prices are sensible (unlike the US). I don't even want An American NHS, I just want sensible pricing for medicine, medical loans with low interest and no costs for things like giving birth. It's just common sense

Debatable. Currently, they do implement more programs than I would like, but some of them are just common sense. Unemployment insurance and other anti-poverty programs have severely lowered the poverty rates. In Norway, a humane prison system was not only cheaper than the US's prison system, but has also lowered the recidivism rates. In the mid-1980s, Finland had the lowest Infant mortality rates in the world, and is still pretty close to the top when it comes to quality of care. But the main reason Americans don't want something like the Finnish do is because of trust. You need high levels of trust for something like this to happen, and the US government has screwed up too many times for that to happen.

The argument about innovation can also be turned on it's head. If people don't have to worry about things like medical bills and have a safety net, they can spend more time on making their lives even better

The biggest concern in any business is the balance between the price of their products and/Or services and the salary of their employees. If they charge too much the business suffers. If they pay too little the employees leave.

Your pay is entirely dependent on the value you bring to the company. If you don't bring much value don't expect much pay.

I just watch a video yesterday of Richard Montañez. Richard Montañez was a janitor working at Frito Lay in So Cal. He thought of adding spices to Cheetos for Mexicans. He worked on developing a recipe to add to Cheetos. When he came up with one he when to work the day and called the CEO of Frito Lay. He actually got through and he explained his idea to the CEO. Richard Montañez is now in upper management at Frito Lay and is the inventor of Flamin' Hot Cheetos.

Richard Montañez is a Mexican legal immigrant whose English was weak at that time.

He brought value to the company and was rewarded for it.

So stop pissing and moaning that you don't earn enough and make yourself more valuable and then be the best at it.

Again, one instance of upward social mobility doesn't make the American dream real. The US has some of the lowest levels of upward social mobility. Corporations hold monopolies, making it impossible for small businesses to make it big without some magical innovation. In the 1940's, 90% of people could make it up the ladder. Maybe not to a CEO, but a promotion nonetheless. In the 1980's, that number was 50%. Currently, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany and France all have higher rates of upward social mobility. And if you really think pay is entirely dependent on how hard you work, that is simply untrue. Currently, in the US, only 28% of doctors are paid based on the quality of their care. Waiters who give excellent service only get an extra 1% in tips. There is the occasional success story, but many people don't even get an opportunity to get a promotion. In a survey of 41 countries, the US ranked 27th.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/02/14/americans-overestimate-social-mobility-in-their-country

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/social-mobility-by-country

The more Socialist a nation becomes the less upward mobility of the people.

I know that upward mobility is dying out in America. I can see it also. But it isn't dead yet. When I read several years ago that Australia surpassed us in economic freedom I knew that we are on the decline.

That is because there are and have been people who are actively trying to destroy this country and they are nearly all on the left. There are a lot of Republicans who are following the left's path to destruction.

Then there is the Great Reset on the horizon that John Kerry says Biden is committed to. When that happens there will never be any upward mobility and that will be worldwide.

So the best I can tell you is do your best while you can.

America is about the most capitalist country I can think of. Small government. Low income tax. Privatized everything. Legal bribery.

And if you think that the left are responsible for the dying out of upward mobility, think again. The 5 countries with the highest levels of upward mobility are Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden and Iceland, in that order. All with extensive welfare programs. Which tend to be more of a left wing thing. Finland has some of the highest levels of economic freedom, some of happiest and most trusting citizens and some of the lowest rates of recidivism

FightingUntruth said it better than I could.

A few years ago I became friends on Facebook with a guy from Denmark who could not stand it there. He left the country and now lives in Southeast Asia.

Denmark is not at all the utopia that Bernie Sanders makes it out to be. Taxes are through the roof. A car costs 3 times as much there as if does here. I've lost contact with my friend because he dumped FB over a year ago and I dumped it about 2 months ago.

None of the Scandinavian countries are anything we should aspire to.

We have the greatest Constitution the world has even seen. Let's get back to that. No more massive legislations. No income tax. And a very small and limited government. If we could get that all back then we would once again be the country that entire world wants to be like. We would be the world's leaders in everything. Innovations would skyrocket and everyone's wealth would increase.

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