It's always too soon

That makes no difference what about Chicago shouldn't they be perfect right know with how strict there gun laws are tell me i'm wrong and provide good reasons

Well, here's what the Chicago Sun times has to say:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/30/22206618/chicago-gun-violence-homicides-policing-community-outreach-university-of-chicago-crime-lab-editorial

I'm not saying that Chicago should be perfect. However, Illinois as a whole is in the top third of the country for lowest gun deaths per 100,000. Their gun restrictions are working, and if Chicago works on the systemic poverty and racism that underlie its gun problems, things should get better.

So why aren't Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Missouri perfect? They've got guns out the wazoo, and the death rates that come from it.

Chicago's problem is gangs and drugs.

Which stem from poverty and lack of education and opportunity.

Like Ben Carson.

And that makes it OK.

And how strict is Illinois gun laws answer that hella strict gun laws don't work

According to the Giffords law center, quite strict, and generally effective.

Okay then that's why there have been multiple shootings there

The Chicago Sun Times article addresses that.

I would mot wipe my butt with the Chiraq Scum Times.

Your illiteracy is not a valid counterargument.

The Scum Thmes is a liberal rag that deserves no consideration.

Illiteracy? From someone that has no comprehension of the Constitution that really hurts.

My guess is that you wouldn't accept the NY Times either, despite it being the US paper of record.

Ha, ha, ha, ha...

So, not illiteracy, ANTI-literacy. QED

That doesn't answer my question

The question as to how strict the gun laws are, or "that's why there have been multiple shootings"?

Because criminals know people can't defend themselves so they go somewhere and decide to shoot it up

I already spoke to that "If only there were GOOD people with guns" idea in this stream, responding to 2Atom.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it false.

Criminals can still get access to firearms but making strict gun laws your hurting the law abiding citizens of America from defending themselves in the scene of a shooter

Anti-gun Democrats, This is a chance to dance in bolld.

Not anti-gun any more than I am anti-liquor. I just believe in regulations to make them safer.

What regulations? Please elucidate.

California and Chicago have the most stringent gun-control laws in the country. They already Have every law that anti-gun groups advocate and it does not work there.

If you could please enlighten me as to how to make them safer I will discuss it with you.

I posted in another thread about a 23 year old batista that survived the shooting, saying he was licensed to carry, but was not allowed because it was a GFZ (Free Fire Zone for Criminals).

Lives may have been saved if a law that is supposed to make it safer was not a law at all.

Most mass shootings are in Gon Free Zones because there will be no one shooting back.

So Please forgive the foregoing sarcasm, because that is just my posting style.

I will ask with no sarcasm, please share your recommendations and I will take them into account, I will give you a fair hearing.

Please, think about the points that I have made and give me the same courtesy.

I'm glad you mentioned the stronger gun laws in CA and IL. Just like alcohol regulations don't prevent all drinking deaths, gun laws don't prevent all shooting ttdeaths -- but they do reduce them. The attached image shows the correlation between stronger gun laws and fewer gun deaths.
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(From the Giffords foundation page)

As to the idea that if only "good people" had been able to carry guns they would have stopped the shooter, that has been extensively debunked.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/how-the-good-guy-with-a-gun-became-a-deadly-american-fantasy

https://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops/story?id=53360480

https://www.vox.com/2019/8/5/20755047/dayton-mass-shooting-timeline-good-guy-with-a-gun-myth

https://time.com/5644578/good-guys-with-guns-el-paso-dayton/

https://www.businessinsider.in/science/news/new-research-puts-the-good-guy-with-a-gun-idea-to-rest-loose-concealed-carry-laws-are-linked-to-more-firearm-homicides/articleshow/77184382.cms

Every cite is from an anti-gun group or point of view.

Try looking at John Lott, an economist that started from an anti-gun perspective and after crunching the actual numbers was converted.

I live in Indiana and we are pretty low on crime outside of two or three Delmocrat run cities.

We have lots of guns and little gun control.

Chicago on the other hand has strict gun control and hundreds of shootings a week.

I don't think Time and Business Insider are anti-gun groups, even allowing you find NPR and Vox too left wing to read.

Indiana is kind of in the middle of the pack, both in the strictness of its gun laws, and its gun death rate (14 per 100,000, better than Alaska's more than 24 per 100,000, but a lot more than Hawai'i and California, at about 4.5 and 7.2 per 100,000).

Just like the addition of seatbelts to cars, guns are a part of our life that can be made safer with sensible regulation. People in all 50 states have guns -- the Constitution guarantees them the right -- but making sure that people are properly trained and guns are being properly stored and carried saves lives -- a lot of them.

California has 40 million people: at 7.2 annual gun deaths per 100,000, that's close to 3000 per year (ouch!), but if it had Alabama's laws and rate of gun deaths, it would have about 10,000 gun deaths per year (OUCH!). 7000 lives saved is GOOD.

This is just an annecdote and proves nothing more than criminals will strike anywhere they desire anytime they desire in spite ofany law on the books.

Ten dead after California sees three mass shootings in four days
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/18/california-mass-shootings-gun-violence-control

Answer me this: maybe they’re getting the guns from other states?
Maybe if everywhere guns has strict regulations we wouldn’t have this problem.

Why is it that states where people have their rights intact do not have these problems?

Why is it that it is always either a religious zealot, someone of diminished capacity or someone looking for their 15 minutes?

Why does the media give them that fame?

you spelled blood wrong my mans. also, you’re stupid

Why, thank you.

so you’re thanking me for calling you stupid? that’s really sad

I always try to be kind to the people that consider themselves better than others.

Normally they are petty people, with thin skin and cannot take what they deserve, and I am not the kind to take offense at their petty ways.

lmao no you don’t