arnold schwarzenegger leotard

no he just has common sense

He doesn't have common sense he's just a bigot, and so are you. y'all are the ones who are obsessed with genitals.

i give up, i cant argue with people who dont know how to argue

What do you mean, I went tit for tits with you, memes and everything.Oh well, thats probably the best decision you made all day, you can't argue with someone when in your heart you know you are WRONG!

wrong that men cant magically become women. think again brother.

Yeah but who cares? no need to make fun of people you don't understand. It doesn't make you better than them.

See below

Gender = Sex

Oh I’m sorry am I a bigot because you found a comment you disagree with? Bigot seems to be the word everyone throws around. Heck even Cerebrophage threw it at me once. I thought he was supposed to be smart!

Anyways back to the meme.

Why does something have to pose a threat to me personally in order for me to care about it? I care about the women who are going to go in a competition against men (they are NOT women. They are men) who are obviously and biologically stronger than they are. It is a rigged competition from the start.

And do you actually think that the only form of “threat” or “do to someone” is physically hurting them? If so you need to seriously reconsider that if you decide to reply to this.

And on top of that the meme is also hilarious along with its truth.

You're right. Bigot is to strong of a word for asshole idiots who giggle about girly men because they care so deeply about women who go into competition with them. What a joke.

The joke here is men who think they’re women.

And then try to use that joke to rig themselves in a competition with women so they can win almost easily.

Here's a question for you:

Take Katy Ledecky. She's easily one of the best female swimmers of all time. She sets records that absolutely blow previous stats out of the water amongst women (and most men). I'd put her as a solid contender for best female swimmer of all time. She is literally the best possible example of a female swimmer from a physiological perspective.

Now compare her to Michael Phelps; he absolutely annihilates her records. If Phelps suddenly identifies as a woman and swims as a woman for the rest of his life, he will set female records that quite literally will never be beat by any other woman. Phelps has a male body and therefore has inherent physical advantages (larger bone structure, more fast-switch muscle fibers, etc) that Ledecky simply cannot match.

Is it fair then to allow people with male bodies to compete in women's sports and attain performance levels unattainable by "normal" women? How is it fair to people born female to see their dreams of becoming the best in the world blown away by someone with a male body who identifies as female? I contend that allowing such occurrences is sexist to the extreme by precluding women from women's sports. The goal of sports, remember, is to compete to see who is the best. Well, if someone sets records that are legitimately impossible to break, then I'd say they've invalidated the sport entirely. Therefore, allowing people with male bodies to compete in women's sports invalidates the purpose of having women's sports in the first place.

I think it's actually 'Katie Ledecky'. Pardon my spelling.

Here is a question for you!

So what if he is? There are activists of all kind on this site.

so what if you are?

Nope, I’m not. Now are you going to arm least show the decency to answer my question? I’m not going to attack you or anything, I’m just showing you my concerns with allowing trans men to compete in women’s sports. If you can rebut them with a good argument I’ll admit that I’m wrong.

Maybe they should be allowed. Maybe they shouldn't. No need to make fun of people you don't understand. Especially if you don't have a dog in that fight.

I don’t understand 42, and I didn’t make fun of them. Everyone should be treated with equal dignity. That means trans folks need equal civil rights and to be integrated into society is a way most equitable to them and to others. In my opinion, letting people who are physically men compete in women’s sports is sexist to the extreme.

I’m NOT saying trans folks shouldn’t compete in sports, just that they could compete with people of the same sex (not gender). That way everyone is on a level playing field, the lack of which invalidates sports in the first place.

Very well. The number 42 is a reference to people who want answers but don't understand what the question is. Since you seem to have a legitimate stance, I'll let you know what I think. I know some small weak dudes. I know some chicks that would kick my ass. If people want to compete, they should be dealt with on a case to case basis based on their individual abilities and not their gender. You may not have personally made fun of them, but you did see the meme and read the comments from before so i'm sure you understand how it's triggering.

Ah, thank you for explaining that.

I do understand how it's annoying. The trans subject is very complicated and cannot really be summarized in a soundbite, which always makes people on both sides (at least online) seem fanatical about it.

The case-by-case stance has merit and is one I would definitely consider exploring further. On the face of it I would still note that even after sex-reassignment surgery the bodies of the trans-woman retain those dense bone structures and fast-switch muscle fiber levels that continue to grant them enhanced physical performance levels compared to their "normal" female counterparts. Therefore they are effectively using a male body in field of female competition, which is sort of like one athlete in track and field taking a ton of steroids and performance enhancers before a race and still claiming they don't have an advantage over the others.

Now, this is a really basic overview of my position and to really delve into it would require more time and effort than this website allows. Take for example the 1 in 50k or so people who are born with chromosome sets that mean they are actually neither male or female...how do they know which side of a sport they should play in? Or for a trans man, who would be carrying a woman's body into a competitive field loaded with male bodies, should they be allowed to take steroids to boost their performance to a potentially equitable level? Would that give them an unfair advantage ?

It is a lot more simple and equitable to say to a trans person, "Listen, I know you don't feel like you belong in this field (men's/women's [insert sport here]), but on the only level that matters here, physical performance, you are still a [man/woman] despite the best science can do. Therefore you would have an unfair advantage or handicap if you competed outside the field of your physical equivalents."

Again though, that is just how I think we should operate moving forward. I understand that it is not a popular view, but I think it is the best one.