Why tolerating Neo-Nazis while they get their strength up isn’t always a good plan.

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Not in so many words: you'd change the laws to make it legal to kill the allegedly inferior humans, and then you'd do it

Not murder!

Apologies for misspeaking

still skeptical

how do you achieve a white nation then?

Mass deportations? Secession?

Either of these counts as ethnic cleansing -- a slightly softer-core version of genocide and not at all fun for everyone either

It inevitably leads to death, displacement, and deprivation as well

It's on paper a "non-violent" solution -- but can you point to a single example of that working successfully in history? I don't think you can.

When the rubber of your deportation project hits the road, it will meet these messy realities: Logistical nightmares. Exacerbation of racial tensions (obviously). There will be massive resistance, violent and non-violent, from all segments of society, necessitating an even larger crackdown.

Where are you deporting them *to*? Are you creating a new country (like India/Pakistan)? The only way to do that is out of land you already control, because no other country on earth is going to agree to host millions of refugees.

Even assuming you pulled it off, not all whites who are left behind will agree to live in a white ethnostate, either. There will be brain drain and you'll be left with an embittered shell of a nation.

Learn to love people of other races. It's simple and doesn't cost anyone anything.

Define "successful." Also: Define "Communist."

I'm not a Communist -- I'm an American Democrat, which is not the same thing as a Communist despite all the alt-rightie propaganda in the world trying to define us as that (a playbook derived ultimately from you Nazis, so good job).

However, let's look at the historical record.

Certainly the USSR gave America a run for its money for decades, and China is doing so now. In fact the consensus among pretty much everyone across the political spectrum is that China is going to overtake America, or already has.

Vietnam is a decently-run country. Their response to Covid was one of the best in the world.

Cuba and Venezuela are basket-cases.

North Korea is a total hellhole, but its survival over a period of decades shows a proof of concept.

tl;dr you will find Communist countries that run the range from relatively successful to unsuccessful for complicated reasons.

However, none of them are democracies, and all of them respect human rights way less than I would like.

If you think it was POWs in the camps, then explain why there were women and children there. There are records of the holocaust being against one minority. The Germans were the scapegoat after WW1, and the Jews were the scapegoat for the Nazis. Bodies were not burned all the time. Often, bodies were found just lying there. Again, explain all the records of dead/missing people. Something tells me Hitler's hatred for Jews, boycotts of Jewish-owned shops, and death camps were linked. Of course the Nazis tried to cover it up, and you are saying that they're right without looking at countless examples of this, including using inmates for slave labour, cramming Jews onto cattle carriages and deporting them to death camps, and people who went through it themselves

You may like to know that Poland was taken as a joint effort by Hitler and Stalin, that Churchill wasn't in power in England at the time (He became Prime minister in 1940, with the war starting in 1939), and the war started because of a treaty Poland with England and France

If the Holocaust never happened, then please explain photographic records, records by normal people, people who were found in Nazi death camps, and bodies. Also, were millions of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and anti-fascists just paid to sit in a secret bunker for the rest of their life and make no contact with the outside world? Your claims that the holocaust never happened seem to fall apart when you look at them

Damn, mate, you know that bodies were still being uncovered then?

So what happened to photographic evidence?
Of course the Nazis wanted to cover it up

I agree that you can never truly have 100% free speech, but there was no semblance of any free speech.
Motherhood isn't bad, but being brainwashed into thinking that your ONLY purpose is to make babies is bad
I don't think you understand. He sent letters to his family telling them to move from eastern Germany because he knew that the Soviets would win, but he had to disguise it as advising them to go on holiday to the west to get a break, or he would've been shot, and he was taking a great risk, even then.
Many (And I would say most) soldiers joined out of fear that they would be sent to concentration camps, as they never knew who really was their friend. The social situation in Nazi Germany was similar to that in 1984

If you want to point a finger at someone who caused both world wars and the cold war, look no further than Gavrilo Princip, the man who caused world war one. I myself have little respect for Churchill, but him and FDR were quite possibly the reason we don't have a communist Europe

Fascism was also greatly hated by many Germans during the war.
Imagine living in a country where you can trust no-one, you could be sent to a death camp if you speak out of line, your son(s) have been brainwashed into thinking that they have to enlist to fight a horrible war against a either ruthless enemy (the Soviet Union) or an extremely effective fighting force made out of a coalition of nations that hate you (All the other allies), your daughter(s) have been brainwashed into thinking that their only purpose is to have 'pure' Aryan children, and you are living in a bombed out city with the risk of firebombing (Complete obliteration) by the RAF constantly looming. That is the life of an average German person during the war. If you want to imagine what it was like before the war whilst Hitler was in power, take away the bits about the war.

I never said women were looked down upon: I'm saying that they were brainwashed to believe that they had to have as many 'pure' children as possible. Fascist Germany was as totalitarian as the USSR, with people getting hauled off by the gestapo if they didn't use the greeting 'Heil Hitler'. I myself have German ancestry, and I have relatives who served in the German army during the war. According to them, freedom of speech was practically non-existent, and people would check letters to make sure there wasn't anti war sentiment. Just about everyone hated the Nazis. You may think that a fascist world would be idyllic and the solution to everything, but ask the people who went through it to get an idea of what it's like

What tells you that they are Russians?

The point is that they thought they had to have as many ethnic Germans as they could.
If you love life, then please explain the genocide and countless war crimes that the Nazis committed. There is a reason Nazis are extremely hated

War mobilization greatly expanded the economies of every WWII belligerent; however, hard to have a roaring economy when you’re dead. You must factor in the economic and human devastation of WWII as well, but you won’t.

But “the economy!!” definitely helped shore up Hitler’s support among this segment of society.

They were still gravely wrong to support him.

'F*ck equality' is not a place.
I meant the bodies were found in Germany and territories it occupied

Take a wild guess, mr detective

That was a word salad of ad hominem speculation and a lot of your own hang-ups about porn

Let's just key in on this assertion of yours which I think is the most important:

You say democracy and communism are both doomed systems, despite those two political systems being the predominant models of powerful countries in the world today -- above all America and China.

What are your examples of successful fascist countries in the world ***today***?

--The dead-end pseudo-dictatorial petrostate that is Mother Russia?
--The petrostates of the Middle East that are steadily bankrupting themselves through largesse and the steady decline of oil?

Define your terms.

They make their own decisions, but many do not want to move, and you need to accept that there will always be 'Terrifying not-white people' in your country. Learn to accept them

Would you care to tell me how many African Americans have actually gone to African nations?

You still need to accept that you will see 'terrifying not-white people' around

1. China : I don't like China, but it is definitely a successful communist state

2. Communism is not accepting people from other races

3. Many African countries are in turmoil thanks to arbitrarily drawn borders by colonialists

I agree with you that resources should be given back, but cultural diversity is a good thing. It is in your interest if someone on the other side of the world is as developed as you are. African countries should lose their statuses as developing and earn titles as developed nations. Black people are not a threat to you, just as white people are not a threat to Africans. Africa will only develop if the western world gives them money (GIVES, not lends)

It doesn't matter how peaceful you are, many neo-Nazis are extremely violent, and being racist is in the job description of being a neo-Nazi. Note: I don't like racists

What is wrong with black people living in America? They will not hurt you and they are simply here because they are people too and want to live as good a life as people in the west do (God, it feels like I'm lecturing a child)

Everyone in poverty needs aid

'racial cleansing' was one of the many words the Nazis used to call the Holocaust. How is genocide ever justified?

Good, but the Nazis still did that

The Nazis massacres 3.3 million Soviet prisoners and countless times, they rounded up huge numbers of captured enemy soldiers and gunned them down

Strange, because the Nazis bombed a Czech town until there was nothing left, and then murdered all the inhabitants

Have you ever listened to the State Anthem of the Soviet Union or the Chinese anthem?
It's not about the words, but dang the music is legit

I know people who were at Dresden. It was a war crime, but war crimes committed by Hitler were worse

Just accept that people do not want war.
Everyone who experienced it thoroughly hated it. What on Earth makes you think that people will want another war?

If you are a serial killer, you will probably either be in jail, on death row, or people don't know its you, in which case, it is excusable to give them aid, as you don't know its them, but if a known serial killer approaches you, asking for aid, you call the police.

Studies have revealed that this is because black people are in general poorer (Because of racism) and therefore more likely to commit crime. The poorer a neighbourhood, the more crime is what a study found, regardless of race, it is just that black neighbourhoods are poorer thanks to racism

Do you call genocide and 'racial cleansing' justified?
Do you call bombing targets with no strategic, military or industrial value justified?
Do you call countless massacres of prisoners justified?
Do you call the complete obliteration of a civilian target justified?
I could go on for ages.
D-day was only put into action because of fear that the soviets wouldn't have a communist Europe. The only way to win the war was to not oppose the soviets directly, and Europe paid the price for that. It was still the right decision.
BTW, if you're wondering why I think communism is better than fascism, its the music

1. I greatly dislike China, but there is no denying that it is economically successful

2. Communism does not discriminate by race. Fascist states have constantly been racist states as well

3. Africa was developing along a different line to Europe, simply because big cities were not suited to the African climate. You call it turmoil, then you need to be educated

1. to be fair, you are pretty thick-skulled

2. Anyone making decisions for other people based on race is classified as a racist. I have heard many of your alt accounts say that Black people don't matter, whereas white people do, along with dubious amounts of homophobia and comments saying 'white power'

3. proof? (From a trusted website that is not a neo-Nazi homepage. I want proof from a source that doesn't constantly 100% agree with you)

1. Just making sure it could penetrate your thick skull

2. Separating people based on race is racism. Race realism is a new word for racism that racists call themselves so that they feel better about themselves

3. IQ gaps are more likely to be there because schools in poorer neighbourhoods (Which are where more black people live, because thanks to racism, they are less likely to get a job and get the same salary as a white person) are worse than schools in rich neighbourhoods