know your trump supporters:

Sounds like the Politics stream

Category 4: The Imgflip Trump supporter (All of the above)

4. None of the above.

there is a 4th one: These trump supporters are decent people without hate for the left. Like trumpactuallywon.

I don't mind leftists (unless they being rude) it's the extremist I despise.

And that applies to either political side.

Same

I couldn't reply to your earlier remark, and I'm not thinking specifically of healthcare, but of the general framework of childcare, healthcare, retirement security, education et cetera. I have a friend who grew up in Europe, and the idea that you could be one bad (no-fault) car accident away from losing everything, or that you could spend your family home getting a college education -- that sounded insane to them. And honestly, it sounds insane to me.

And yes, they and everyone else they know complained about the VAT and how it made things more expensive, but nobody starved, everyone got the healthcare and education they needed and everyone felt a basic level of security. That is beneficient socialism.

You believe Social Security is better than private investing?

Private investment naturally favors those with more resources and more education, who are less likely to need it. Also, do you remember in his first term, W floated the idea of turning the social security system into something more like a 401K. Congress didn't, and then the stock market crashed. If they had, all of that security would have been up in smoke. Lots of people who'd been planning to retire around that time lost everything they'd been saving, as had also happened with the internet bubble a few years earlier.

Some things are too valuable to put in the hands of the free market. Some things we protect as a society, and offer to everyone.

Do you think a 1,500 per month is enough to live on?

When 6.2% of my income goes to it? That's about $324,000 for your whole retirement.

That's never been the plan. It's a backstop, not the only source. But, yes, I know people who've figured out how to live on Social Security.

But imagine what they could do with all that money if they had just invested it instead of the government taxing it away from them.

In real estate, say, in 2006? Nothing.
The pure private enterprise system includes boom and bust. Over time, investments may gain value, but some people are WRECKED by each of those crashes.

I recommend Dave Ramsey if you have any spare time.

It's like a roller coaster it's only dangerous if you jump off in the middle of it.

Heck, I usually listen to him in the car.

People, especially people who start off with fewer resources, often don't get to choose when they jump off the rollercoaster.

But this boils down to an essential liberal/conservative divide: I feel that society as a whole ought to and benefits from cushioning the extremes for all its members, and that it should be done in a planned and equitable way by the entity to which we all belong (the country), not piecemeal by families, communities, or private charities.

4. The Fearful -- Somebody who votes for a proven incompetent because it's not as scary to them as "Socialism", immigrants, change, feminism, equality, Muslims, what have you.

You know I think I can speak for myself better than you can.

i must 5. then

It's kind of rude of you to assume I can't make decisions on my own and have differing opinions of the candidate I support.

Its more descriptive, literally dim-witted individuals

I don't mean to make that assumption; I just thought that a large number of Trump supporters vote the way they do out of fear. Certainly, there may be other groups. If you vote for tRump, then what motivates it? (If you say "Socialism", I'll assume #4, since it's not a real threat in the US, if anywhere.)

By socialism are you referring to a tax-fed healthcare system or real socialism?

Real socialism is real socialism. You aren't counting farm subsidies, are you?

Do you understand what command economics is, right?

I'm reasonably well-read, but I've never taken an economics course. I interpret it to mean state-set demand, or something like that?

Yeah, state-run industries or the entire economy usually hampering productivity and innovation.

Well, of course I'm going to agree that autocratic state Socialism is an evil -- look at the Great Leap Forward, right? But that's why I'm excepting Socialism from a discussion of rational American voting. We don't even have the mild, beneficient democratic socialism of many EU nations. It's a non-issue in American politics, except as a straw man used by the whacko fringe of the right.

I'm assuming you're referring to socialized healthcare tell me if I'm wrong. Alright before I start off I by no means think the healthcare system we are currently using is perfect and believe that it can be improved.

Now let's take what I said before command economics "hamper productivity and innovation." now let's look at it which country is leading in medical innovation it's the US by an overwhelming majority.

A vote for Biden in a red State where Biden got more votes than Obama could be....1) dead 2) illegal alien 3) pristine mail-in ballot 4)mail-in ballot stolen, real voter to require a provisional ballot 5) non-resident 6) Democrat that hates America

I'm sure 99.99% of votes were legit

Statistics is science. How did Biden outperform Obama in key states, but not in NY, CA, Illinois, NJ, Washington/Oregon?

it could just be a coincidence.