Abraham Lincoln

Spoiler: The southern states lost.

And yet surprisingly deficient in knowledge of Russian history.

Saying we are in a civil war is not a threat

This isn't a threat of war

I think spam-memeing about a civil war THAT ISN'T HAPPENING easily qualifies as threatening. If a stranger in public says to you "we're fighting now" out of the blue, do you feel safe?

It's not a threat to talk about a potential civil war, especially considering it's a major news story.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-civil-war-expectations-reach-new-high-71-of-trump-voters

This is a fascinating question. I made this meme tonight for PoliticsTOO opining that we are in a civil war. The thought crossed my mind that it could be seen as a TOS violation but I posted anyway.

As of a few weeks ago we were in a Civil War that I described as “cold,” and as of Jan. 6, now it is hot.

Truth be told we won’t know whether it’s a real civil war or just a riot until events that have yet to unfold do so. Whether Biden is inaugurated without a hitch or whether his inauguration is attacked by Proud Boys or heaven forbid he is assassinated. Whether the Trumpista insurrection fizzles or gains steam.

Look back at the history of the Civil War, the way Lincoln’s inauguration was protested and disrupted and you’ll find uncomfortable parallels. The Southern states gradually seceded during the transition period even though live shots weren’t fired on Fort Sumter until April 1961.

Civil Wars often aren’t formally declared, sometimes they just... happen.

That said, this may not be a civil war. Just an especially rough transition of power.

The big, big difference that I am counting on that makes it NOT a Civil War this time? Institutional Republicans don’t want one. There is nothing to gain from it, even less so is there an actionable plan. Republicans will be mealy mouthed about it and probably reject a second impeachment because they want to retain Trump’s voters, but they won’t secede. The “lifestyle” being threatened by a Biden presidency, whatever it is, isn’t tantamount to a bedrock economic issue for the Southern states like slavery.

Also, can you imagine a real civil war during a pandemic? No one wants that.

Trumpista insurrectionists will be hunted down by the FBI like many of the Jan. 6 rioters have been already.

You know I like you. But don't feed into this delusion! These clowns even at their most dangerous don't have the logistical, political, or command capabilities to run anything EVEN CLOSE to a war. It's not even close.

The MOST they can ever hope to achieve is a string of terror incidents.

There's no "may be" about it - this is a civil war fanfic cosplay convention, not an army of any kind.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, as they say. If it walks like a duck, etc., it might be a duck.

I’m also getting tired of sitting back and appealing to unity that falls on deaf ears and frankly doesn’t seem to exist anymore, letting them monopolize discussions of glory and heroism when they’re on the complete wrong side of history here. These bozos need to be reminded that liberals and the U.S. government at large aren’t pansies and aren’t going to fold like a card table.

Ok, I'm with you there - that does annoy me, and it is something I identified as a driving issue four years ago when all this was happening.

So listen: Americans has never been united politically. Never. And that's ok.

Who said that it wasn't in the first place, when you think about it?

Oh sure, there have been perks - so many perks - to the national unity we have enjoyed these last two hundred and fifty minus some years. But as countrymen we've never seen eye to eye with each other. And it keeps us skeptical of bad ideas. It keeps us debating. IT KEEPS US FREE. It's how we kept ourselves from groupthink. It took disunity to abolish slavery. It took disunity to abolish Jim Crow. We defeated Nazism despite the fact that we were the country Hitler took notes off of in the first place. There's value to a lack of ideological unity. It keeps us who we are: the answer to countries where unity is coerced violently.

Unity that is not earned is called conformity. It's called compliance. And suburban America's obsession with keeping things safe, convenient, and bubbled off from the rest of the world has got us believing that Unity is a buzzword for the American Spirit.

But it's not. Unity has to be earned, by inspiring people to your point of view. So if you don't have it, it's not the end of the world - we've proven that so many times.

Don't seek a world where these assholes submit to us and unite with us - they just take advantage of that. Seek a world where they exist without the agency to get their way. Seek a world where they lack leverage, a world that has left them standing in the corner until they're ready to learn.

And one way to do that is to mock them. Belittle them. Make it unacceptable for a joke of an idea to ever become policy.

TL;DR: Make fun of them on imgflip. It's the most American thing you can do. Don't ever stop the Kylie memes.

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I was gonna say some crap about how the Civil War awful as it was helped bring about the abolition of slavery, progressive Republicans and Democrats have an outstanding winning record in our history when it comes to beating fascism (Civil War, WWI, WWII, etc.), Americans are adaptable and our whole history has been about taking lemons and making lemonade.

You said it more eloquently than I.

So, enjoy the Kylie memes ;)

We have known that for the past few years there's been a social civil war. But there hasn't been a political one. If you consider Capitol Hill first strike, that'd be like if Japan was an old man, went for Pearl Harbor, but forgot their enzyte.

That being said. Civil war? Spoiler alert. The incumbent government won. Not the rebels. Which, in this case, that's what you'd be.

Are you under the impression that the Tsar was shot dead during the November revolution itself? He died over a year later. EVERYONE knows that.

THEN LEAVE! Go back to GAB or whatever. Get a job.

Stay out of American Politics since you obviously know nothing about them.