Karl Marx's stradegy to force Marxism is divide and conquer. Create a false division between the rich (bourgeoisie) and the wor

All true; but the moment the collective political Left finished taking control of the nation's educational system and the Mainstream Media outlets, leftist propaganda became King. It was a nice nation while it lasted.

Ah yes, famous socialist comrade Joseph Biden, famous for his ardent support of socialism.

-Said no one unironically who had a brain ever

You're right. I never said it either. I said the Democrat party has been taken over and controlled by Socialists. Biden has been pushed by the party further left than he ever was.

But this election isn't about Biden anyway. It is about Harris. She is the one you guys created all of the fraudulent votes to put in office. She's going to throw Biden out of the White House with the 25th Amendment as soon as she can.

And Harris IS a Socialist.

No she isn't lmao

She's a standard yas queen liberal, no more, no less.

Well if you say so but today's Democrat is only about hair to the right of Socialism so who knows. You're all a bunch of control freaks anyway. You hate freedom and want to tell everyone how to act and think. And if anyone questions you then you call them racists, sexists, homophobes, bigots and haters just to try to corral us back into line.

Democrats voted in huge margins to nominate Joe Biden over Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, AND Andrew Yang in the primaries, but Abby Normal on the Internet says that Democrats are only a hair to the right of Socialism.

Press X to doubt.

"Democrats voted in huge margins to nominate Joe Biden over Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, AND Andrew Yang in the primaries"

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Too soon?

Just another brainless conservative too blind and stupid to see that the US is almost collapsing due to the private companies which are dominated by the rich. You can easily save your pathetic country by handing over all private companies to state and local governments but you’d rather see the entire world live in poverty under your idiotic economic system.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Karl Marx himself wasn't that interested in forcing Marxism. It's something he saw as an inevitable conclusion to follow the collapse of global capitalism as inevitable as the setting sun - you can prepare for it, but forcing something that would happen anyway didn't make a lot of sense to him. So he wasn't above helping out with people who were getting organized in light of his work, but the people who tried to force an acceleration of the advent of Marxist systems more really came after him, derivatives of his thinking.

I don't know if he wanted to force it or not. He was never in any position of power to do anything about it. So he disparaged Capitalism instead in hopes that he could collapse it.

Capitalism is NOT the problem. The fastest way to bring down any system is with corruption. There is nothing on earth that cannot be corrupted.

The way you clean up Capitalism is get the government completely out of the way. Corrupt businesses will fall apart all by themselves without the government pumping all sorts of taxpayer cash to keep them afloat. There is no such thing as too big to fail. Failure is a normal part of of the process in a free market. For over a century the government and businesses have been colluding and the end result is a corrupt government and corrupt businesses. There must be a wall of separation between government and private corporations.

Socialism is NOT the answer to cleaning up corruption because it was founded on corruption.

I know you don't, that's why I wrote it.

Look, I wasn't telling you that he was right - I was telling you something about the man that you got wrong in your meme. Your opinion on his views isn't what I was talking about - you made a claim about HIS views that is historically wrong.

Isn't force a part of the strategy? Marx had no power to accomplish those goals but it is very obvious that his followers have done nothing but use force on everywhere. Even in the US. In the US it is more of a death by a million cuts issue. There is no violent revolution (although many have wanted that) here. It is one little policy after another over the course of a century. It is also manipulating culture by creating the oppressor/oppressed paradigm.

I never gave my consent to have the government steal part of my paycheck. That was done by a Socialist by force over 100 years ago. I was fine with my health care coverage but Obama ramrodded his abomination down my throat so that I now have horrible coverage that costs 3 times as much.

The globalists are now planning the great reset in which they will collapse the world's economy and "Build Back" much worse. I am not asking for that, nor would I give my consent. Collapsing the economy is an extremely bad idea. People will starve to death just to make a hand full of oligarchs happy.

Think of it this way: Karl Marx died in 1883. Lenin wouldn't take power in Russia until 1917, the first time Marxism ever came into any kind of effect. That's 34 years. That's a generation and a half of Marxists arguing, bickering, splitting and reforming over what "the strategy" even is.

The problem here is that you have been trained - and I mean that, this is how you've been trained to think by your friends - to make a list of strategies you don't like and to call that "the Marxist strategy" but that's just not how things work. Marx's strategies and Lenin's strategies were very different. They were different people. They developed different approaches. They had different philosophies. EVERYTHING changes significantly between conception and implementation. And then you have 34 years when socialists didn't do anything except talk about what socialism might be one day. There's just no way you can say that use of force was part of "the strategy" - there was no one strategy. The split between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks was about exactly this. Both were Marxists, but only one approved of any use of force.

And then you launched into a rant AGAIN about your personal feelings about socialism. Again: I don't care, I'm not interested in that discussion; what I'm talking about is your misconception on the historical people involved. I KNOW you have a stick up your ass about socialism; you don't need to remind me. But you can at least make an effort to see its role in history accurately.

I hate to disappoint you but I have not been trained. Much of what I have learned I learned on my own.

Back when Friedrich Von Hayek wrote "The Road to Serfdom" he didn't have history on his side because much was not known about how Marx's theories would work in the real world. Hayek thought that it could be possible that there would be a benevolent version of Marxism. History is on our side now. There has never ever been a benevolent version.

It is not a surprise that Lenin's version of Marxism has differences between what he did and what Marx wrote. That kind of stuff happens all of the time. Look at how many difference Christian denominations there are all based on one book.

I don't really care about the minute details of Lenin's version of Marxism over Hitler's or Mussolini's or even Chavez and Maduro.

Have any of them thrown out the foundation of Marxism? Do they still believe in no private ownership? YES!!! Do they still believe in the concept of the collective controlling the means of production and the central planners (i.e. the government) controlling and deciding for the collective? YES!!! Do they still believe in the redistribution of wealth??? YES!

Are those concepts that you believe in? I'm beginning to think so.

Are those core elements ever going to be thrown out??? NOT A CHANCE!

Marxism is all about power and control. There is absolutely no benevolence to it. There is no "progress" to it. It is an oppressive governmental and economic system that enslaves the individual. This is not my personal opinion. This is what ever country founded on Marx has ever been. There are no exceptions to that.

This is why I say there is no "getting it right this time".

Those that support this economic system have absolutely no clue how the economy works. Marxism destroys wealth and it destroys productivity. Again, not opinion just fact.

Early on when I understood more about Marxism I realized that Marx was a miserable man who looked on everyone with contempt and disdain. The more I have learned about his personal life the more I found that to be true.

Honestly, I didn't even read most of this. You're STILL trying to pin me down on an argument on the merits of socialism and you clearly haven't engaged with the point I was making which is that Marx didn't do what you claimed he did in the OP.

If I didn't know better, I'd almost think that we were having two completely different conversations. It's utterly absurd.

No. You're just hung up on one small point and you think your whole argument is based on that point. It is not. Of course there was no way possible for Marx to force anyone to do anything because he wasn't in any position to force anyone. So on that one minor detail you are right.

But you also cannot deny the fact that those he has inspired have done nothing but use force. In order to get Marxists ideas enacted there have been two methods employed. The first is by violent revolution and force. The second also uses force because it is enacted in spite of the majority opinion. The second version uses propaganda over generations so that eventually we get to the point were we are today. Where a good number of people only want to hear all of the pretty stuff they are promised by this system and they will even die trying to get it pushed on people.

Those people will never ever realize the one main point where Marxism fails every time. You just cannot give a person or small group of persons that much power and not expect anything different than what has happened before.

Let me tell you a little information about your hero, Karl Marx. Marx was a miserable man who alienated his wife and his children. He died a broke penniless man that no one paid any attention to.

While he was alive he frequently spoke disparaging about other groups of people. He was a self hating Jew just like his predecessor, Adolf Hitler. Marx looked forward to a day when every Jew would be exterminated. He thought Africans were inferior savages and he referred to them using the "N" word. He looked at the Scots with the same level of disdain as Africans. There were a few other European groups he equally hated but I cannot remember which ones right now. I think the Italians and the Spanish and/or Portuguese were also on that list but I could be wrong. I'm working off my memory and it isn't as good as it used to be.

Oh yeah..... And he spent his time writing poems to and about Satan. But I guess that isn't too much different than Saul Alinsky who gave tribute to Satan in his Rules for Radicals book. The book that inspired Democrats to be as underhanded and divisive as possible. Alinksy came up with "the ends justify the means". Which was pretty much the inspiration for all the voter fraud coming out of the Democrats. Dems have convinced themselves that they are the righteous ones out to "save" the underprivileged from the evil Republicans.

It is more of that bourgeoisie vs proletariat BS from Marx. Divide and conquer.

Again, he was not a divide and conquer - you know what? I'm done with this. You're CLEARLY not paying attention.

I keep telling you but you do not understand.

I BLOODY KNOW THAT MARX, HIMSELF, DID NOT DIVIDE AND CONQUER BECAUSE HE HAD NO POWER.

Is that clear enough for you?

Did Marx not speak about the bourgeoisie and the proletariat? Did Marx not make the bourgeoisie the oppressor class and the proletariat the oppressed class? Wasn't his whole theory about the political struggle between the two classes? Did he not want to unite the workers against their employers so that the workers would own and run the business?

How is that NOT dividing people. Yeah, Marx did not divide anyone (except himself from his family) but his ideas did and not too long after he was dead.

Do you know what the goal of the founding fathers was? It was to create a classless society in opposition to the class structure in England. Ya know... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Or as YOUR president-elect said, "All men are created equal, that they uh... uh... you know... the thing". Biden wasn't stumbling for the words there. He just did not want to offend the left by making mention of our "Creator".

There is NO political struggle in this country. We are not based on a hierarchy. No one individual has any more power or privilege than the next.

That all changed when Marx's stupid ideas of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat infested our nation. Now we have all sorts of classes based on their victim status. It is called "intersectionality". The more intersections you have the more you are considered oppressed and need special attention from the government. The whole thing is a scam. It is brainwashing to further tear this nation apart.

No, Marx didn't do that himself, however, it was clearly his ideas and it was how his devotees have evolved his ideas to further divide and conquer.

Just like Marx wanted everyone to believe, Capitalism will be the blame of the collapse. Except Capitalism has been slowly killed off over the last century by none other than the Marxist Progressives. Capitalism can't be blamed if we are a Corporatist (borderline Fascist) society.

And your point is?

The point is your hypocrisy.
And Biden will be the next President.

How does Trump saying that make me a hypocrite? I never heard him say that. I suppose he is correct on one aspect. My right to vote has been taken away from me. The Dems will either apply my vote to their candidate or they will nullify me with thousands of fraudulent votes.

That's a lot of paranoid shit.

Read it for yourself. Watch the videos. Especially the one where some smiling nitwit says, "You will own nothing and you will be happy". What kind of Marxist BS is that?? This is NOT some wild theory put out by the John Birch Society or Alex Jones.

You can keep your head in the sand and hope it won't affect you or you can plan for it.

In every Socialist nation where there was an economic collapse there has been mass starvation and food shortages. How many Venezuelans are telling each other that they are just paranoid?

There are some real and verifiable facts. Fact 1: Marx was a blithering idiot on economics. Every nation that sought out to create a country based on his writings has collapsed, fallen apart, had mass starvation and some of them had genocides. The last thing you want to do is ever let a Marxist tell you about how the world would be much better without Capitalism and the economies need to be collapsed. They do not understand how the economy works. They're hanging to old ideas that have been proven false every single time they have been tried.

Fact 2: The WEF and UN are run by Socialists. When you compare the goals of both with Socialism they are identical. For example the UN's Agenda 2030 page is a list of a bunch of goals that sound wonderful to the left but strike fear into thinking people minds. It is not a question of wanting to solve the world's problems, it is how they intend to implement those goals and maintain liberty. You can't. The only way out of what they have made a life or death struggle with the environment is if we take drastic actions. Actions that will severely limit mankind's freedom. Where you can live, how big your house can be, how many people will live in your house with you (after all you no longer own that house or anything else and "you will be happy"). How far you can drive to work. How many vacations and to where you can take. All of this must be limited or else we all die... at least that is what the prognosticators who call themselves "scientists" are insisting.

I do not think people are out to get me, personally. I'm no one important. However, I have absolutely no doubt, whatsoever, that evil people are pushing for a global government and have said as much many times.

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/development-agenda/