Drumpf conservative logic

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Looks like you don't understand the meme.
They're not saying don't count the votes, they're asking to be able to see them counted as per the laws in each state.
It's not a logic it's a requirment by law which is obviously illogical to you by your comment at the top of your meme.

Y'all are so transparent, apparently AZ doesn't matter because Drumpf is closing the gap? Are any Dems saying: "Stop counting the votes in AZ! If you count all the LEGAL votes in AZ, Biden won! Now they're 'finding' all these other votes! FRAUD!"

Oh that's right no Dem is doing that right now and Trump isn't suing to see ballots in AZ. Come on, dude, think for yourself. You are the epitome of Drumpf Group Think.

Admit you don't understand the meme.

Let's play a logic game... So...

Drumpf wants to stop votes from being counted. You say it's as simple as he wants his people the see the vote counting. You have to ask, what is the end game? He's already made it very clear (as per the emails his campaign sends out which I receive about 20 a day) that they need money for the "Election Defense Fund". They don't want Dems to "steal the election". We can agree it's very clear that Drumpf feels that the election is being stolen which means he feels he's being cheated which means he feels he should win which means if he loses he will not accept the outcome which means that him suing to, as you say, simply "see the votes" is a move he hopes will move him closer to his end game, which is to win. Okay? Cool. Moving on...

2016: he lost the popular vote. He won the electoral college which ultimately made him president.
2020: he's losing the popular vote. He's on track to lost the electoral college which will make Biden president.

He's lost the popular vote both times. So what's changed from 2016 to 2020? Only the fact that he won't win the electoral college this time. Right? Good. Cool.

So, being that he lost the popular vote both times, why sue to "see the votes" in 2020 and not 2016? Answer: to try and change the course of outcome for 2020 to be the outcome of 2016. Understand? Cool. I know you can't be that daft.

So! To sum up! As per my OG meme, if you stop counting votes, because Drumpf wants his people to see them and only to simply see them, and if he was going to accept the outcome either way, as the votes tend now, he would still lose. But he's made it clear that he will not accept the outcome. So he hopes that suing to stop vote counting will change the outcome. You ever play tag in school when you were younger? It's like when you play with the bully sore loser who usually gets away from everybody but then suddenly finds themselves being "it" and unable to tag anybody. They call "time out" and "it's not fair anymore" only because they're losing. They're endgame is to win. They call a time out because they're not winning all of the sudden and they hope the time out distraction will buy them time for their ego and a different outcome.

Drumpf loses either way. So stop being so gullible to believe he just want to keep people "honest". He wants the course of the outcome to change and if votes were stopped, he still wouldn't. Check. Mate.

And yet after all that, which thanks for taking your time but it really didn't need explaining what your meme means/meant. The meme from Calronmoon is highlighting the fact to you that whether you believe or in this case don't believe. The call isn't to stop count permenantly but to stop until they allow the standard practice of vote scrutineering.

I have worked in 4 elections and if observers wish to observe and are approved to do such then they must be able to freely view the process and contest any ballot which has questionable characteristics. This process has been obfuscated by Democrat operatives in order to stop Republican operatives from doing their job and maintaining election transparency. You guys go on about Russia, Russia, Russia but even they have scrutineers for what purpose I'm not sure when Vlad always wins and so does any election being held in good faith.
Now that's pretty simple isn't it? Even if it doesn't alter the tally.

But the bigger point is that without scrutineering they could be re-submitting different ballots that suit themselves. Ballots which were say originally filled in with sharpies which those running the polling station supplied to a specific number of voter for example. Of course you can't use a Sharpie but voters of all persausions are reporting that they were given sharpies and when contested as to it invalidating their ballot and vote they were getting told no it wont.
Well of course it will invalidate your vote and then without scrutineers overseeing the count the possibility of committing voter fraud is easily done by removing all the votes which are invalid (remember they could be votes for any party) and substituting with your correctly filled ballot in your desired direction.

As to your og meme, It makes sense but it still doesn't mean the totals are correct and just because you choose to be obtuse to the fact that Scrutineers should not be excluded from the count and that is what the count stop is about still wont make you correct about this either. You are now doing what you claim Trump did because it appears to be going your way. This election will have created distrust in the validity of the entire system and it's not just Republicans who have been slighted here.
One thing I have to ask is, What did you mean with your emoticon ?
My understanding was piss yourself laughing. And I'm guessing you must have meant laughing at him not with him. Check.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/04/fact-check-sharpiegate-controversy-arizona-false-claim/6164820002/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-trumps-claims-poll-watchers/#app

That's great you've worked in the elections. Have you personally ever seen anything shady on either side? Where's the proof, dude?

Would it matter if the totals aren't exactly correct but overall they would yield the same result? You might as well claim that Democrats rigged HWs one term, yet for as politically domineering as he was even he was able to concede to Clinton with dignity. Also, why would Dems rig only the presidential race while losing seats in the House and not turning the Senate. You know how hard it's gonna be for Biden not have the Senate be Dem majority? Why the hell would Dems be okay with spending an insane amount of money in KY only to have McConnell (whom the Dems hate maybe more than Drumpf) be reelected? There's no logic in that.

He's used this same tired rhetoric before. No other GOP candidate has pushed conspiracies this hard while in office while a pandemic is raging. Which only says 1 thing to me: he only cares about his well being and that's it.

He's so interested in transparency about Hillary's emails in 2016 and the votes all of the sudden? Cool. So where's his tax returns?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/2016-election-pennsylvania-polls-voters-trump-clinton-214297

https://apnews.com/article/poll-watchers-ballots-access-monitor-b4e95da6bcf2c8c0e9fda190b332d6d5

And yes I was laughing at the meme not with.

Biden came out to say that no matter who you voted for, he would work just as hard for you. Drumpf and his narcissism have never allowed him to say something like that. Ever. It's always been quid pro quo for him. It's all about the end game. He knows that. Losing seats in the House and not flipping the Senate but getting the presidency is a horrible end game for the Dems, if they had rigged.

My heart is full because the proof is in the outcome overall: you look at Drumpf victory rallies/protests - 90% white people. You turn on the TV and see the millions of people rejoicing for Biden on the streets with a most majority wearing masks - you see nothing but people of varied colors, backgrounds and sexuality. We could never do to them what they did to us. There's no reason for a working class individual to trust a man who's never been Blue Collar ever in his life.

Thanks again for your insights and opinions.

Laughing at the meme makes sense now, the emoji's are not something I use much so I understand your response now but not so much the emoji's.

I would say as someone doing the processing of ballots from an election I never did anything funny nor watched anyone doing funny biz but we always had scrutineers for some portion of the time usually focusing on the validity of ballots and they contested usually for whoever they represented.
The sharpie stuff I talk about is direct from people on here who voted in both directions so although you have read and linked article saying it didn't occur it seems odd that people on both sides would be repeating that it happened to them. No one I know directly as in person has said it happened to them.
If HW didn't attempt to or actually cheat I would be suprised given his connections and the actions of his father. But I would say Bill was too popular for such a person as HW with his kind of charisma to get re-elected and 12 years of one party is a pretty long time when talking about one party in control when elections are being held. So I doubt anyone would suggest impropriety once considering and applying all the things going against HW's re-election. His son however well I'm sure you're aware of some of the exploits of Jr and Debold voting machines. It wasn't just the chads thing but vote skimming (removing fractions of votes and adding the count to favored candidate).
Old Mitch is protected by someone or something, I heard they spent more on that race than the combined totals for the 2000 election. On a smaller scale I saw another race where the Dem winner spent just $186,000 to the losers $5 million it was the seat in Baltimore where the guy i forget his name died of cancer, long term guy.
There are counters to most of the things you lay out and I'm not saying that they're unrealistic but I doubt we would convince each other of much at this stage so i won't occupy your time in that.
All I can tell you is I don't like Biden and probably even more so than most Dems don't like Trump, not one bit. It's not even because of his affiliation but personality and in particular his actions.

Sorry to not have time to go over all points as thoroughly as could be and Good luck.

I really appreciate your responses. Truly. I think I'm usually on the defense because most of the people on here aren't able to have such cogent discussion so I apologize for assuming the same of you initially.

I feel so passionate, I guess, because for the first time in 4 years, as an openly bi person, I feel like I am able to take a sigh of relief. All of my LGBTQIA+ brothers and sisters and ethnic friends all collectively have felt that weight lift. We, personally, are not viewing Biden as some demigod which I feel Drumpfers have done hand over fist. We will now stay on him to fight for our interests and the interests of the American people. All American people.

Thank you again for being so thorough and thoughtful in your responses. :)

No Problem Guy, I treat you as you treated me. It's that simple. And if I go silly at someone I would expect the same back. I've found that to be the fairest way on here, the trolls are everywhere and I did provoke you with the "Admit you don't understand it" bit so your response was also reasonable really.
And once again good luck with everything but don't forget these words of advice, "you cant fill a jar with a hole in it". Not on here and not in real life either so never get too bogged down when dealing with others of opposing viewpoint and beliefs as you. Because sometimes they're never going to get it and your sanity is more important than being correct. See you round.