{I don't think anyone who can misread that proverb so blatantly is anywhere near a true Christian. Change my mind.}

First of all. I love the image, second of all, Jesus Died for sinners because everybody has sinned. Being lgbtq+ is not a sin, it’s being who you are. You can’t expect people to change who they are for some crusty dusty old book. It’s offensive to all people, especially lgbtq+. It especially hurts when those people are still closeted and in the dark about their true sexuality. It makes them feel like like they cant be who they are. I am highly offended being a panromantic my self. And yes. I am Christian. But just because I am Christian does NOT mean I have to be straight.

At least I have facts all you have is opinion.

Bruh. I'm gay and I know that you are paraphrasing shit to the extreme. just stop with memes like this. They don't mean gay pride, since that was not even a thing. They mean: If you try to see yourself as the best person ever, you will be destroyed, and that is true.

That’s not the part I was focusing on 🙄

There were homosexuals in the time of Jews.
And the Old Testament Jewish law covers them along with New Testament.

I actually did not know this. Thank you for informing me!

Gay people are among the few who actually take pride in their own sin.

Pride in sin is not a Biblical concept.

Wrong. Pride is a sin because it is the opposite of humility.

You talked about pride in general.

I talked about pride in sin. Jesus tells you to deny yourself and follow him. So if you are prideful of your sin, you’re not denying yourself, and you’re definitely not following him. You can’t take pride in both.

If you want to take pride in something, take pride in Christ.

No, I also talked about pride in sin.

But it is nice to see someone so open minded

I don’t

Do tell

Fun fact, Jesus isn't real, hes a figment of your imagination, You are living a lie

Fun fact, you're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts

Fun fact, you will be among those destroyed in Armageddon.

The, I will go down to hell, kill Satan, and use the gay demon army to kill God.

The bible literally says turn away from your sin. Being gay is a sin.

Sure thing, Captain I'm-Definitely-Right!

Well, I have all the facts.

Very Christian like.

I think some of those Biblical verses are due for an update

Wouldn't you say?

I thought accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior and receiving the blessings of his love and mercy was all it took to enter the Kingdom of Heaven

Do I have that right or nah

The Old Testament law is not there for us to fulfill. It’s impossible. We are all guilty of breaking that law.
Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament law and to pay the price for those who could not.
But does that make it okay to sin? Of course not. The sins you make as a Christian are also sins that Jesus died for, not just the ones before.
You are in the world, which means you are inevitably prone to sin, but you are not of the world meaning you aren’t proud of your sin and you hate it.

False. Many people accept Jesus but only those who accept him and obey his commandments will inherit the Kingdom.

Matthew 7:21- “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will."

1 John 5:3- "For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments, and yet his commandments are not burdensome."

Matthew 7:13- “Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it."

No they will not be "Cut off". For one Jesus died to forgive ALL OUR SINS so You're incorrect because GODS OWN SON died just to forgive everyone. Kamikaze was the only one who got it right. Even if being gay is a sin it is forgiven and washed away. I myself am strong in the Christian belief and take everything that is in the bible to heart. There's one thing that I realized. NO MATTER WHAT you, me, and everyone else would be going to hell if we weren't forgiven because we are naturally evil and mess up. We cannot possibly begin to follow all the rules that God has set for us. So in saying that they're going to hell for their sin means that You're going to hell for the hundreds of sins you commit everyday day such as Lying, Jealousy, Spite, Hate, Betrayal, Disrespecting your parents, Disrespecting other humans... AND ABOVE ALL ELSE... What was that commandment? Oh yeah LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. Meaning you being homophobic means you're going to hell. You know why? Because it's gods job to judge us and determine our fates, not yours. Or am I reading what everyone calls THE GOLDEN RULE wrong? No I don't believe I am. I love you and have a nice day.

Those who know what god requires but refuse to be chaste thinking that god's mercy will save them are wrong.
Jude 1:4- "certain men have slipped in among you who were long ago appointed to this judgment by the Scriptures; they are ungodly men who turn the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for brazen conduct and who prove false to our only owner and Lord, Jesus Christ."

This does not change what I said about judgment. It is not your job it is gods. So why are you here judging people?

No more than you are of me. In your last message you directly said I am going to hell. The judgement I am passing is criticism of those who are directly conflicting the scriptures.

in saying that they're going to hell for their sin means that You're going to hell for the hundreds of sins you commit everyday day such as ... I said that in saying such a thing... I did not say I believe you're going to hell

He’s not telling you.
The Bible’s telling you. He’s just showing you what the Bible says.
Nice try.

"The bible doesn't need an update" You sure about that?
The bible already has TONS of mistranslations!

You do realize you’re saying the Bible is mistranslated but are also calling yourself a Christian, correct?

Well it’s a good thing the Bible doesn’t actually say “you can own slaves.” It only says “If you own slaves.”

Also, what’s your point? Bringing up the fact that the Jews practiced slavery (which was not race-based and was very culturally different from today) is somehow related to homosexuality not being a sin. That’s what we like to call Ad Hominem!

https://www.openbible.info/topics/slavery

More Bible quotes on this.

The Bible clearly contemplated a social hierarchy where slavery was the norm. When you live in a society where abolition is unthinkable, there is no need to explicitly justify slavery any more than you need to seek a moral justification for the fact people breathe air.

There were rules about *how* to treat slaves, and I suppose the idea that someone should be punished if they beat their slave to death -- but not punished if the slave survives "for a day or two"(!) -- was considered the peak of enlightened progressive thought.

The sad truth is, when Confederates cited the Bible for support for slavery, they had an awful lot of material to work with.

Our morals have since evolved.

“Confederates cited the Bible for support for slavery.”
And so did the Union.
The Union cited that man was created in the image of God and all were created equal

They also cited that Philip prophesied to an Ethiopian (a black man). Why would you prophesy in humility to a man with a different skin color? To the Confederates that would be unheard of.

Jewish slavery was different from Confederate slavery. I know you tried to shrug this off in my last comment, but it’s important to keep this in mind.

Sure there was indentured servitude in the 1850’s, but the south was mainly defending their kind of slavery. Jewish slavery was closer to indentured servitude.

The Confederates were literally citing the Bible for something that was indeed unbiblical.

Indeed there are many kinds of slavery practiced all over the world, even today, with different cultural variations since human cultures themselves are different. Some are based on “race” or color as the Confederate version was. Others aren’t.

But none of them are particularly kind, and if masters could beat their slaves to within an inch of their lives and get off scot-free as the Bible appears to contemplate, I’d say that “indentured servitude” wasn’t kind either.

Anywho. We’re getting a little off-topic for a stream that’s supposed to be about LGBTQ issue.

I just brought up the slavery thing to make the general point that we ought to take the moral vision of a book written 2000+ years ago with a grain of salt.

I quite like Jesus’s teachings themselves especially with their continual focus on the messages of love and respect toward all, but I have a big problem with a lot of other Biblical passages especially the Old Testament.

“None of them are particularly kind.”
Yeah, slavery is inevitably unkind.
I was using the difference of cultural slavery to prove why Confederates citing the Bible to support their version was them missing the point.

But that’s besides the point when looking at slavery being unkind.

Exodus 21:16 condemns “man stealing”, meaning you cannot just kidnap some people and sell them into slavery or make them work on your farm, so already the North Atlantic Slave Trade is non-Biblical along with Confederates who kidnapped blacks in the Union and brought them to the south.
Genesis 1:26-27 also condemns race-based slavery (already talked about this but I’ll put it here again).

So how did people become slaves? They came by themselves. Several people sold themselves into slavery out of their own debt. Even people on a higher social status would do it such as doctors or lawyers.

I had explained the purpose of the Old Testament in that other comment.

Wow. What a strawman.

We’re talking about JEWISH slavery.
Not ROMAN slavery.

Because Kamikaze thought he could use it to say “well the Bible does say dont be gay, but it also says you can beat your Slaves.”

Go ask Kamikaze. He was the one who brought it up.

We don't have to change scripture. We just have to selectively decline to follow the parts of it that no longer make any sense and are frankly already illegal (or should be made illegal) in our modern world.

Like the slavery passages.

And the incest passages.

And like the anti-gay passages.

And the wonderful parts that were twisted by the church to support their views.

Man shall not sleep with man was supposed to be man shall not sleep with boy. It was against pedophiles not gays.

Tell me why it literally says “man shall not sleep with MAN.”
Pedophilia is already condemned in the Bible by condemning premarital sex. Pedophilia is in that category.
And even if it did say “man shall not sleep with boy,” that’s still gay.

The bible has twisted verses that I cannot imagine coming from god this "man shall not sleep with man crap" I can't imagine coming from him

“The Bible has twisted verses that I can’t imagine coming from god”
So you’re judging the Lord’s teachings only based off of what you want to think He would say. You just “can’t imagine” it even though it’s real.
I can’t say I’m too surprised since lots of LGBT people do this anyway, but still.

And now let’s take a look at all these verses you took out of context:
Leviticus 20:9 - Hmmm... I don’t see any Christians putting their children to death after they were cursed by them. For some reason I have this feeling that you relate with the child who cursed his parents, and you tried to make it okay for yourself by twisting the verses in your favor.

But that is besides the point. The point is: that’s Jewish law. The Jewish law was put there to show that everyone is guilty. Nobody can fulfill the law. Everyone has lied, everyone has murdered, and everyone has put things above God (to name a few of the commandments). Jesus was the one who fulfilled the law, and he payed the price for the sins we committed since he committed none. But since Jesus died to save those who accepted him, does that still make it okay to sin? Of course not. Every sin you make as a Christian is a sin Jesus died for as well; not just the ones you made before.

Ephesians 6:5 - I see no problem with this verse. You know why? Because “whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.” - 1 Corinthians 10:31.
There’s also this passage:

“Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.” - Romans 13: 1-5

And I’ll be right back to explain what this verse means and mention the next verse. I have reached the word limit.

First of all I am female. Also you are disgusting and awful.

You got that from JRBOBdobbs didn’t you.
You wouldn’t be saying that word was added in the 40’s if he didn’t say it first.

Also, WRONG.
Tell that to the DARBY Bible that was written in 1890. It literally says “those who make women of themselves or those who abuse themselves with men”

“those who make women of themselves or those who abuse themselves with men”
The bible doesn't condemn trans people it actually condemns cross-dressers. Also check out these mistranslations.
https://www.franknelte.net/article.php?article_id=236

I’m betting you stopped reading before I even debunked the first verse.

But whatever. Telling me your gender (when I didn’t call you a dude) doesn’t make you correct,

Note that over 50 bible verses were mistranslated. The word homosexual didn't appear in the bible until the mid 40s.

Meeting in the middle is not prohibiting gay marriage. Nor is linking it with pedophiles. Also there are bible verses where god does cruel things and I cannot believe he is sinless when he can kill a person if it pleases him.

There you go again. You’re only making assumptions about what you want to think of God. It is a shadow of a thought that you are chasing.

God can kill whoever he wants. He isn’t a human being. He murders those who sin out of righteousness. So why are we not allowed to kill? Because we’re not righteous.

He is in a way like the oath of vengeance paladins in dnd which are motivated to kill people who commit minor offenses

Is taking things out of context your hobby or something? Because that’s not what I mean when I said “meet in the middle.”

But you get to decide the middle therefore you are wrong

Says the “Christian also.” You did call yourself a Christian, correct?
Defending LGBT is already nuts, but using Christianity to defend it is even worse.

He has clearly never read the bible and is doing Wikipedia searches to try to defend himself.

It took me 2 years to come up with a reply to this. Needless to say, it was in a classroom, probably where you never went.

Perhaps you’ve changed, but this doesn’t make this situation less sad. It is genuinely depressing that full-grown adult Christians feel the need to go to a meme site to complain about being a Catholic who refuses to listen to the Pope. It is sad that an adult needs to harass people in the place they go to have a laugh because they can’t comprehend that the Bible was written by humans and not directly by God. It is sad that a Christian can’t understand that humans are biased.

It is actually depleting my will to live that a full-grown adult can’t do a little basic Googling, or read a book, to replace the knowledge that they lost the opportunity when they failed to make it through high school.

It is terrible that an adult, presumably of average intelligence, has to latch onto a site for sharing memes for their fix of harassing a minority.

It is frightening that someone could be so stupid and incapable to see reason to even continue this.

Have a good day.

The other 2 are not sins the latter is.

Have you even read the bible?

Well, I don't think your IQ can go any lower.

says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”

Kamikaze is a porn addict?
Where did you hear that?
'Cause I didn't know.

Look on his account buddy boy.

Okay.
By the way, I'm deleting these comments. I've been spraying some insensible stuff as well.

I thought so.