Change My Mind

Pro choice is pro life

"Pro life" is anti choice

Anti choice forced birthers want the government in your womb.

pro choice kills babys

pro life shows women many other things they can do or trys to prevent the unprotected stupidity that normally lead to abortions

250,000 dead from the "flu".....

Your wrong.

The science is clear, access to abortion is good for women and society. No one is "killing babys".

I can see how you would think abortion "kills babys", if you don't understand bodily autonomy, and viability.

You should learn more.

Adoption is for wanted children, that can't be kept for some reason. Adoption isn't for unwanted children. No one should be forced to have children they don't want. The adoption system is already overburdened.

Birth control fails. It happens. The majority of women seeking abortion have already had children.

Government has no business with my reproductive system.

tell me all the sources im missing kid

Ah yes, we’re not killing babies, we’re just ending their life. Democrats are the same today as when they owned slaves, the only difference is they have shifted priorities. In the 1800s they argued that black people aren’t humans, so they don’t deserve the same rights. Today they argue that babies in the womb aren’t alive so they don’t deserve rights.
All the biology I know about this and all I have researched agrees that abortion IS killing a baby, so since you are so much more enlightened than me, explain it right now.
Hm, since the government has no business in your reproduction, they certainly should not be paying for provided abortions.

its killing a baby anyone with a brain could understand if you want to denie that go ahead but then you would be argueing for something blatently stupid.

in late stage abortion they kill the baby by pulling each of its limbs off and eventually crushing its head with pliers i dont know what kind of fantasy you live in but it is simply wrong to think abortion doesnt kill babys.

what should i learn? you are the obviously mistaken person

1. then we should under burden it

2. birth control almost never fails, and if you are going to have sex you need to have a condom as well or else you run a risk of getting pregnant although most abortions occur due to a lack of either.

probably because the types of people who dont use protection arent going to not use them again

well maybe if you could control your own body or be at the very least responsible it wouldent have to

Lol, blame victims and deny science all you want. It won't hold up in court.

Your lies are obvious, and anyone who can read, can determine for themselves you are wrong.

What should you learn?

Basic biology, and the stages of development for a start.

Then you should learn about bodily autonomy, and human rights.

Then you should learn about the actual laws for abortion, since you clearly believe 3rd term abortion is legal, when it isn't.

If you care about human life, you support access to birth control and abortion.

Resources:
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/social-and-economic-benefits-womens-ability-determine-whether-and-when-have-children

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/abortion-bans-based-on-so-called-science-are-fraudulent/

blame victims? Blame science? what are you talking about you were the one who claimed abortions dont kill babys

what lies did i tell

where am i wrong in that department is it because i dont support murdering babys because you couldent keep it in your pants?

Human right? human right... how about you have protected sex or abstain

some states still have it

i support human life which is why people should wear condems and understand how much life is worth

Genesis 2:7, KJV: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." ..

Psalm 139:13-15 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth."

The bible is clearly a fantastic source for baby making advice.

Read along in Genesis 38

To learn how you too can dress as a prostitute and trick your step dad into impregnating you.

Holy holy

Maybe we shouldn't be turning to the bible for science related inquiry? Just maybe?

Democrats in the 1800s argued that black people aren’t humans, so they don’t deserve rights. Democrats today argue that babies in the womb aren’t alive, so they don’t deserve rights. If breath is life then people in comas on ventilators aren’t technically alive.

stfu with the "democrats" argued... it was the CONSERVATIVES.... they just happen to call themselves democrats back then and call themselves republicans today. (even though there is not one gd conservative thing about trumpism) Stop with the misleading nonsense

Democrats were the southern majority by a longshot during slavery, Democrats founded the KKK, 21 democrat senators opposed the civil rights act of 1964 (only one of those 21 later became Republican), 78% of republicans voted in favor of the civil rights act, Richard Nixon is credited with the "switch" you're talking about but in reality the south stayed 53% democrat during his election in 1968, Democrat Jimmy Carter won the south majority in 1976. In 1992, Democrat Bill Clinton won Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia. The reason the south is Republican now isn't some mad conspiracy theory, it's because they've changed. As racism in the south decreased, the number of southerners voting Republican increased. That's why black Republican Senator Tim Scott won the South Carolina majority. Southern values have changed.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/17/fact-check-more-republicans-voted-for-the-civil-rights-act-as-a-percentage-than-democrats-did/

http://www.museumcenter.org/the-curious-curator/2018/6/21/mini-blog-conservative-democrats-and-liberal-republicans

Isaiah 49:1,5 Listen to me, O coastlands, and give attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called me from the womb, from the body of my mother he named my name… And now the LORD says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him; and that Israel might be gathered to him—for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD, and my God has become my strength.

John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

Bring sources or buzz off, your opinion is wrong

Our sources are censored by planned parenthood because they sell baby body parts on the black market. Don't believe me, I have a source for the black market part.

extremist liar is an extremist liar

Which is why they have no evidence

"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing her opinion." Proverbs 18:2

Why did Harris attack him them? That's "fake news" right because a biased fake news reporter said it was.

blah blah, changing the subject blah blah?

You're believing a biased news source.

bias does not change accuracy or validity...

Proof here you go. https://www.daviddaleiden.com/work.php

Project Veritas is a disinformation campaign

They have been caught and exposed multiple times

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwing-group-beloved-by-trump

What exactly on that "news" page are you claiming as a source?

Nothing to say about the content of my message, just making ad hominem attacks because I spelled something incorrectly on a meme website.

That's sad.

You're sad.

I wasnt replying to your comment

Yet here we are

What about statistics you don't give a crap about them. Science has been wrong hundreds of thousands of times in the past why are they suddenly always right now.

No lies, a fool often shut their hears to the truth.

Fools recite hearsay and believe mythology

I support you. Don't waste your breath on these idiots God will judge them.

There are no gods, only humanity.

People should focus on things that are real

News Flash the government isn't a god.

Then I guess the government has no business dictating what I do with my reproductive organs huh? Government doesn't have jurisdiction over genitals.

You do release getting an abortion is killing your own party.

You crossed a line. So now we understand why you stand at such a state of giving little value of life.

Spoken like a true atheist.

I just believe in one less god than you.

They're all myths, your god included

Hey, you can prove me wrong when you die like all those babies you supported to be aborted.

did you see my comment?

Bring sources or buzz off

??? sources for what

That making abortion illegal improves society

Or do you admit that abortion access improves society, and accept the sources I provided?

what would benifit society more is if we taught kids what contraceptives they can use which would get rid of or at the very least reduce infantcide

Oooh sorry, the correct answer was both access to contraceptives & abortion.

Consolation prize, you learned the correct answer!

it might be a 10% higher infant mortality rate but 862,300 abortions happened in the same year

Obfuscation and "facts" without sources, I'm seeing a pattern here.

and less than 22 thousand cases of natural infant mortality happened divided accross the entirety of the U.S

it changed by .02

Direct quote

""We observed a significant relationship between the number of restrictive abortion laws and infant mortality risk, indicating a potential additive effect. More specifically, infants born in states with three or more restrictive laws were significantly more likely to die before their first birthday than were those born in states with no restrictions.

We posit that the 10% increase that we observed is meaningful from a population health standpoint.""

its common sense but sure, since you need it for some reason i'll link up proof

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/may/23/unsafe-sex-why-everyones-at-it
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/when-sex-goes-wrong/

its a simple fact there is no bias

"Fact"

With no evidence or source

the people who dont wear protection the first time probably wouldent the second

Any excuse

Just keep that cognitive bias, hold it tight, no one can take your opinion from you.

i think we should really really incourage people to use protection in fact unless you're having a baby you have to wear one by law

Although we cannot conclude a causal relationship, results from this investigation indicate that the number of state-level restrictions on abortion may be a significant risk factor for infant mortality. In particular, mandatory parental laws that require either parental permission or notification for a minor to have an abortion are significantly associated with infant mortality. Future studies should identify the extent to which this relationship is causal. For example, researchers can take advantage of the passage of new laws against abortion, such as banning abortions once a fetal heartbeat is detected, or restricting providers with unnecessary requirements. These changes present a unique opportunity to better understand how and why these restrictions may cause adverse health outcomes for mothers and affect infant mortality risk.

the majority of women who seek abortion already have children...

citation for more baby mortality without abortion
i dont think of myself as a hero its just common sense to not kill a baby because you were ignorant or couldent keep it together

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7312072/

United States Government

and impose serious punishments for not doing so

You're an extremist

and i already said i wanted contraceptives so i got it half right in your eyes

Yes, contraceptives are very important

i dont really care if im an extremist if it saves lives

but it isn't saving lives. It is doing the exact opposite.

Banning abortion cause higher infant mortality. More babies die if abortion isn't available.

You're just an extremist. Not a hero.

I'm sure terrorists think they are doing the right thing too, but they aren't.

That person can still grow up and have a life.

Baby definition:

a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.

Explain how pro choice which supports fully the abortion of children is pro life.