Meme Man

proud boys don't oppose the govt. what are you trying to say?

They supposedly support minimal government and maximum freedom. But really, look at their founders words:

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1311413755633381381

they oppose big govt. that is not the same as opposing govt.

antifa and blm oppose the govt.

surely you can see the difference?

Fair enough. And anyway, it's an excuse. It's the southern strategy, take two. They aren't really against big gov, they are against liberal gov. You can't say racist shit anymore so you have to mask it. Look at the policies they oppose and the ones they don't talk about. Walls are good. Army good. Cops good.

"McInnes says victim mentality of women and other historically oppressed groups is unhealthy, arguing that "[t]here is an incentive to be a victim. It is cool to be a victim." He sees white men and Western culture as "under siege" and described criticism of his ideas as "victim blaming".". << So others playing the victim is wrong. Really the proud boys are the victim.

yeah, playing the victim is wrong and it's a policy engendered by successive left wing governments both in the US and UK ...it's the only way they can get voters; they have to convince people that they're oppressed and that left-wing govts. are the only people who can help them

Is that really what you see? I vote my conscience and for programs and a safety net for others that I hope never to need. When I was younger and in college and probably would have qualified for aide, I was too proud to apply for it. I think most people are the same. People only ask for help when they have exhausted all options. I didn't have cable, packed my lunch every day, worked two jobs, and didn't go in a real vacation for years.

I don't see pointing out that you were victimized is playing the victim. That's not staying quiet about it. A rape victim isn't playing the victim.

The right likes to play the victim as much as anyone on the left. They are oppressing me with these masks. They keep pointing out racism and it makes me feel bad. They keep telling me I'm not special. They laugh at me for not believing in vacines.

a rape victim IS a victim by virtue of being raped. but...

a black person is NOT a victim by virtue of being black
a homosexual is NOT a victim by virtue of being homosexual
a woman is NOT a victim by virtue of being a woman
a transgender person is NOT a victim by virtue of being transgender

do you see the difference? This is how the left uses the cult of victimisation to get voters. But these victims need an oppressor (and *this* is marxism 101) and this weeks oppressors are.....Orange Man Bad, Hu-White Supremacists

You should talk to some liberals about their views instead of just believing what people tell you they are. Diversify the media you watch. Actually go down the rabbit hole every once in a while and actually try and see things from someone else's point of view. I do. It seldom changes my mind, but it makes it easier to understand others and to avoid the "us vs them" mentality. Media omits based on their bias so a complete picture requires stepping out of your echo chamber. Of course not all of any group is a victim. But just like girls who are raped face doubt and victim shaming "look how she was dressed", "what did she expect", other groups face similar things. Just look at Breonna Taylor and the efforts to make her a criminal and make it her fault. Yes, her ex was a drug dealer. They weren't together anymore. He still had some mail coming to her house. Neither having an ex or recurving mail is illegal, but is that enough for a warrant? I guess so.

Here's the thing: they didn't find anything illegal in her apartment. Obviously the cops hasn't announced themselves. Why fire on the cops if there is nothing for them to find? Suddenly the "from my cold dead hands" crowd is saying "what do your expect if you break the law?" No double standard there at all. People I know who have railed against no knock warrants abd what they would do are suddenly pacifists.

It wasn't too long ago that the civil Rights act was signed. There were States where interracial marriage was illegal until 1967. Did those ideas just go away? All black people aren't victims but as a people they have been victimized to a large degree. You have to be drinking since strong red Kool aid to not see it in her case. There are plenty of others.

Pretending that every accusation of racism is "playing the victim" is convenient.

Not every homosexual is a victim - true but again, until recently they didn't have the same Rights to marry as the rest of us. People could fire them just for being gay. Again, did all of that go away overnight?

Trans...I mean who cares? What is the right's obsessing with people's junk? You feel you are a woman? Whatever. You do you.

Do politicians fan fires for votes? Of course they do. And on both sides. The Rights message that everything is the lefts fault and minorities stealing jobs and calling every social program socialism is the other side that coin.

you genuinely don't see the irony in your own words here do you?

anyhoos...

"just like girls who are raped face doubt and victim shaming 'look how she was dressed' " - contrast that now with, say, Brett Kavanaugh ..."you drank beer in college? you are an alcoholic rape train leader!" "believe all women"

you're *completely* misinformed about Breona taylor the cops knocked on the door and announced themselves ...please watch thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6_QM8h_u5E

"homosexuals" did it go away overnight? no ...but it went away ...until the Left-wing needed more voter-victims

"Trans...I mean who cares" Exactly! the Right don't have an obsession, the Left have an obsession with forcing acceptance and compliance from everyone about trans rights, but as you already said ...who cares?!

the Rights message is that the Left is in the death-grip of extreme left-wing politics

Fired for being gay/trans

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/can-you-be-fired-being-gay-answer-depends-largely-where-n962711

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

The United States Department of Homeland Security defines right-wing extremism in the United States as "broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

If you think acknowledging that black people have endured challenges that other Americans haven’t... Dude. Open a history book. There is no contradiction in saying that not all black people are victims, but they have been victimized more than others. One implies 100%, while the other acknowledges things like red lining, segregation, and Lee f****ing Atwater. People still have to be responsible for their own actions, but (analogy time) if a teacher consistently has more students failing standard tests than other teachers at the same school, it is reasonable to assume their is a reason for the anomaly.

I suppose you only have two options mentally: black people are inherently more criminal than others (seems racist to me) or there are outside social factors that result in more black people (by percent) being incarcerated. I mean you could argue that it's socio-economic, but then we have a similar question: why are more black people living in poverty? Are they lazy (seems racist) or are the affects of slavery and discrimination still impacting people today? So yes, I suppose you could argue that I'm saying all black people are victims, but that isn't how I think of it. That sounds passive. Like "why does this keep happening to me!" Or (to quote our president) "everyone is so unfair to me!". On the other hand, acknowledging societies responsibility to provide equal opportunity and to fight for that. I wouldn't call that being a victim. I would call it refusing to be the victim or refusing to stand by and watch others be victimized.

Brett K - that is a stretch. He's mocked for his beer speech because he sounded like an idiot. "I like beer". As far as whether the accusations were credible... IDK. All women should be believed... Yeah I see where you are coming from. More accurately, all accusations should be taken seriously abd investigated, but innocent until proven guilty. I haven't really thought about Brett in a while, and don't remember details.

Breonna - one of 12 neighbors say they heard the cops announce. That one neighbor initially had said he hadn't heard. That could be read either way. But sus either way. Even so, if I come knocking on your door at midnight saying "police" and then break down the door before you can open it, are you going to assume I'm legit? The video, whatever... the warrant was valid, but the postmaster part was a lie. I guess the point is, if kicking down someone's door isn't cause for them to defend themselves why--

<Open a history book>why not stick to what's happening today and not what happened 70+ years ago?

<why are more black people living in poverty?> The welfare system was built to encourage and maintain it ...by the democrats

<or there are outside social factors that result in more black people (by percent) being incarcerated> The Democrat's "super-predator" crime bill perhaps?

<the warrant was valid> end of story, thanks

Look at what's happening now... Be specific. Because I don't see anything now that wasn't happening then. Race riots and the southern strategy. Just like the good old days...

Welfare encourages poverty... Because people who starve to death aren't poor anymore, are they?

Super predator crime bill - the crime bill has bipartisan support. It wasn't even controversial at the time. But either way, that's an evasion and misdirection.

Legal warrant - end of story. Evasion number two. You think that's the end of the story? No justice, no peace. Some people try to make the whole conversation about what the cops did, but the protests are about what happened after. Mistakes happen, but the willingness to just make it go away is what it's really about. If the law allows someone to be killed in their own home by police based on a warrant obtained under false pretenses and nobody goes to jail, them it isn't really a justice system is it? Taking someone's life due to a mistake or negligence is generally called manslaughter.

So you believe Democrats via the welfare system and the crime bill have manipulated black people into poverty and crime. So you do believe in systemic racism and the need for reform? Or were you just misdirecting?

What should the police do? For starters, don't lie on the affidavit for warranty. Have your body cam on so we know what really happened. When SWAT recommends not doing the raids at the same time and waiting for them, wait. Be prepared for the idea that someone might reasonably defend themselves in a no knock and have non deadly responses available.

They knew she didn't own a gun, thought she was home alone, and had classified her as a low threat. They probably didn't announce themselves loudly enough or give enough time to answer because they didn't think there was any reason to. They had a no knock warranty after all. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Isn't that how that saying goes? Well, this is the prize that keeps on giving.

(vol 2). I guess the point is, if kicking down someone's door isn't cause for them to defend themselves why is there a second amendment? If what happened with Breonna was legal (and it likely was) then laws need to change.

Homophobia went away until the left needed it... What? Gay marriage just became legal. Teachers and others were fired for being gay. People are still seeking a religious exemption for that. When exactly did homophobia go away?

Trans Rights - forcing acceptance. Not how I would phrase it, but sure. If people aren't causing harm other than making someone uncomfortable, then people need to mind their own business. You see looking for more victims. Maybe from the career politicians point of view, but that has to resonate with people. The case must be made and voters have to care. Both sides do it. They are going to be in the bathroom with your daughters! Gasp! But wait, what about your son's? Double gasp! Number of public restroom assaults by a trans person: 0.

If one of my children turns out to be trans, then I want a society that would let them be and not discriminate. If being trans is not illegal, then discrimination based on it should be protected against. To quote a comedian Troy Crowder "if my great grandma was still alive she might not be comfortable eating in a desegregated restaurant. We'd tell her to keep it down and stop embarrassing us, because we've moved on."

Extreme left ideas: universal health Care; no discrimination; tax the wealthy at rates comparable to the 1950's.

Extreme right ideas: fascism, Nationalism, racism (but don't call it racism). Rebrand that sh** all you want. When people start taking about "West is best", or "they are destroying our country" we know it's propoganda. Step one is identifying a "they". Who is the enemy? Once the populace is on board, you just have to do something about "them".

what would you have the police do, send a telegram?

<Teachers and others were fired for being gay>when?

<Trans Rights - forcing acceptance. Not how I would phrase it, but sure> thanks for agreeing

<If being trans is not illegal, then discrimination based on it should be protected against> what discrimination?

<Extreme right ideas: fascism, Nationalism, racism>? got any of that sources? what on earth are you prattling about ..this is leftist bs

Oh and excellent timing: https://apnews.com/article/a8bbabea9ee4d2fb13c6079c09f2f075

Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett served for nearly three years on the board of private Christian schools that effectively barred admission to children of same-sex parents and made it plain that openly gay and lesbian teachers weren’t welcome in the classroom.

I try to talk to liberals, most of them are incapable of holding a conversation. the reason for this is that their beliefs aren't theirs ...their beliefs are based on *emotional slogans* and headlines which they have not had the due diligence to verify for themselves, hence when you pick at their arguments, they find themselves on very shaky ground so they resort to ad-hominems

"Diversify the media you watch" here's a selection of some of the "diverse" media I watch:

Jericho Green
Anthony Brian Logan
Kyle Suggs
Aba & Preach
Brandon Tatum
Adventist Hermes Justin Wilson

I watch these Black American youtubers regularly and have learned that I can trust their commentaries ...if I need to ratify their content, it always checks out

are you familiar with any of these guys? other than Tucker Carlson, I wouldn't watch mainstream media if you paid me. and if you want to take me up on the Tucker's a white supremacist BS ...do your homework first ...do A LOT of homework ;)

I believe in judging a group based on its stated goals rather than the activities of a small number of members. However, that’s usually reserved for groups that are less centralized than the proud boys. They have levels of membership. They are organized and centralized.

They claim to support minimal government, maximum freedom, and free speech but have had organized efforts to threaten reporters who report on them.

They are trying to water down the white nationalist message by making it “west is best”. They are clearly trying to repackage American exceptionalism and to turn the narrative. But all of that is separate from my post.

And honestly, based on the merchandising involved in the proud boys, I think it’s as much about monetizing the right as anything else.

They claim to be for minimal government, but like most hypocrites, they only want programs they don’t like to be minimized. They posted videos celebrating Trump telling them to stand by. Did I miss where they said they didn’t support that?

You are of course free to support programs you like and oppose programs you don’t, but claiming that such opposition is based on “minimizing government” only when you don’t like them is hypocritical.

I mean, isn’t defund the police the ultimate in minimal government//Max freedom?

Western/American exceptionalism is just master race repackaged. They are trying to rebrand white nationalism.

Words from their founder: https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1311413755633381381