If you’re gonna force her to keep the baby, at least give her support.

I do support giving and to mothers but it's complicated there is still no excuse for killing the child tho

You do realize taking away abortion rights from women won’t lower abortion rates, right? It will just make abortions less safe for women. If we want to reduce abortion rates, we already know how to do that, through sex ed and birth control.

Yep, but the moment you mention sex ed, some parents go NOOOOOOOO!!! And their daughters are the ones who wind up preggers.

Abortion access improves societal health, reduces crime and poverty.

I meant giving aid not giving and oops 😅

Being that you think they are killing, how do you suggest we punish women who have abortions?

excuse me WHAT

I'm asking StandardMemes what the punishment should be, if a woman is commiting murder by getting an abortion.

Should she be arrested, and tried for murder, like any other murder?

Abortion isn't murder, a fetus isn't a baby.

Expectant mothers have bodily autonomy too, it is wrong to force them to donate blood, plasma, and other bodily resources. It is wrong to force someone into childbirth, which is a life threatening procedure.

i agree!

1.It is no a fetus it is a living human with all the same rights as you or I it has its own dna completely unique no one will ever be like it ITS human if you Denis this than you denie science
2.I want only doctors if you can even call them that to stand trail because th mother is usually a under extreme pressure by parents or boyfriends b tricked by science deniers like your self so I don't think the mother should be punished

1. Let's Learn Bodily Autonomy 101

This hypothetical father has a son.
The son has a health condition that will kill them in 3 months, unless they get a life saving donation.
The father has the needed bodily cure.
The procedure to extract the cure from the father is life threatening.

Should the government force that father to go through that procedure, to save his son's life, at the risk to his own? Or should the father have a choice regarding their body?

The son has the health condition, only the father can provide the cure.

2. But the doctor isn't the murderer, the person who hired the "hit man" is the murderer. The mother is the one "killing" someone. Law doesn't excuse you for being under duress, and this isn't self defence by your definition, it is a first degree murder that is premeditated and with intent.

1. You seem to be using the kidney scenario were let's say my kid here rd a kidney and I have 2 ok so many things a. The uterus is meant for the child meanwhile the kidney is meant to serve you to keep you alive and b yes the father should indeed give his kidney to his son so long as it will not kill him to do so
2.well maybe the law should change maybe when "doctor's" lie to women about what's actually going on we need to have mercy and compassion

The question isn't "should the father give the kidney?"

The question you dodged like a coward, is "should the government force the father to go through the procedure?"

Child birthing is a life threatening procedure, people die during child birth, this isn't about a uterus.

Restricting abortion access is the opposite of mercy and compassion. It is a fact that having abortion access improves societal health.

I think I made it very clear that i expect parents to sacrifice there own health and safety for that of the child knowing what do you think my answer to your question is next point
Ok so lets take that it improves societal health so would killing all the criminals I am against taking human life any human life end of discussion it is not merciful to take another life big or small old or young male or female black or white you are not allowed to take another life

You would legally require the father to risk his life?

That's messed up.

Taking the life of a criminal does not prevent crime.

That just inflicts violence on someone after they commit a crime.

To prevent crime, you have to stop it from happening.

You do realize taking away abortion rights from women won’t lower abortion rates, right? It will just make abortions less safe for women. If we want to reduce abortion rates, we already know how to do that, through sex ed and birth control.

You should re-evaluate your ethics. See a therapist or something.

Taking people's bodily autonomy isn't morally acceptable.

1.You say it's not morally acceptable but neither is letting your child die
2. Killing criminals would prevent crime because they will be to scared to do so
3. The father should risk his life the duty of Men is to risk their lives for there wives and kids