What part of "anti-fascist" is so hard to understand?

antifa acts just like hitlers brown shirts

Antifa and the Nazi's Sturmabteilung (Brown Shirts) are exact opposites on the political spectrum.

No, the closest we have to the Brown Shirts are the Boogaloo boys, who are Trump supporters. They are anti-government and want to start a second civil war. Nice.

look who is starting all the violence in the cities
it isnt boogaloo idiots its antifa
i have been a lifelong democrat and will be till i die but they are hurting us big time

Saying your against what you actually are is a typical leftist tactict. Just like BLM claims to be anti racist but isn’t. They are anti white black superiority theorists posing as social justice group that is really working to implement Marxism. You are gullible and easily fooled by slogans

BLM is a wide movement against police brutality, not an "anti white black superiority theorists posing as social justice group that is really working to implement Marxism". Do you even have a clue as to what that means?

What makes you think I'm on the left? That I'm against Trump? There are a lot of people on the left, right and middle who are against Trump, and against fascism. Trump and Barr are fascists.

If you support Marxists you are leftist. No self respecting centrist would support Marxism or they would be a leftist. And go to BLM website where they openly state they are Marxist that want to tear down this society. You support that by saying BLM. You want to address police brutality get a new tag that one is tainted with Marxism.

So I am to understand that you're okay with police violence? That you support the police even when they become a menace to the public they're meant to protect and serve?

That would suggest you're a fascist, as political violence is the kind of thing fascists readily advocate.

If you're okay being labeled a fascist then I'm okay being labeled as a leftist. Otherwise drop the silly argument.

Police brutality may be an issue in some circumstances but it is not akin to systemic racism. That’s a lie to use against white people even when the system is and has been largely democratically controlled often by minority mayors and police. The police reform message is lost in the eliminate and abolish police lunacy of the left.

Political violence is facist so then you agree Antifa is fascist for visiting violence on American cities?

I agree that the police reform message is often lost, but you're mistaking the views of a fringe left for those of the majority of people protesting police brutality, who are just normal folks who are tired of (for decades) watching the police menacing society rather than protecting it. Live in another country for a few years to understand that a militarized police force is neither necessary nor supportive of the police' own motto: to serve and to protect; not to bully, beat up, pepper spray, hit with batons, shoot with rubber bullets or water cannon, suffocate, nor shoot in the back. The vast majority of people protesting are simply against police violence. You?

Fascism is right wing, by definition and historically. If the term has any meaning. If we can't agree that fascism is a right wing phenomenon then there's little point in further discussion.

Antifa is (according to the Oxford English Dictionary, hardly a radical organization) "a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology." So being opposed to fascism would put them on the left. I'm assuming we agree on that.

So unless you are arguing that any violence by anybody must be fascist, we seem to agree. I'm against political violence by the left or the right, or the police. You?

Everyone was on board with police reform then your movements? Turned it into America bad, whitey bad, burn it down blah blah blah. I will Not worry about police reform until Criminals are no longer in the streets terrorizing the country.

One of the things leftists like to point to is foreign Countries they have lived in or visited. But that is not a comparison. Compare Russia, India, or China or any other country closer in size. I’m sure Liechtenstein is very well run and has a fairly homogeneous population with shared culture and experience. France is a mess, so is Italy. In The USA there is a huge diversity that in and of itself causes More challenges. To say nothing of the ingrained distrust of authority and being told what to do of Americans. If those foreign counties have attained perfection great however it may not work when scale up superpower size. South Dakota has a lot fewer issues than New York.

You can call Antifa what you want leftist, centrist, rightist non existent as some of the democratic leadership has said. The point is they act like fascists. Defending against is not the same as attacking or mobbing. So they use the term To imply that they aren’t just communist thugs acting like fascists. You are the one that said fascists advocate political
Violence if that’s true then communist Antifa is fascist or fascist like. However I don’t accept that fascist are the primary cause of political violence. Communists have and do commit Horrific acts of political Violence.

You guys always say it’s just the fringe, but your silence encourages their violence and appears to be tacit support. Peaceful protestors do not cause millions of dollars in damage and just because the majority provides cover for the bad actors doesn’t absolve them of guilt. How did MLK have peaceful Protest? Because the leadership openly and vocally opposed it. Your leadership does not.

Fascists do advocate political violence. Antifa also resort to violence. That hardly makes them allies or the same thing. They're enemies, the latter has declared themselves the "anti" to the former. Is that so hard to understand? Why do you continue to conflate the two?

As I said, you know nothing about me. My last job was with the police (though not as an officer). You keep trying to align me with the left so I can be your target but I'm sorry, that doesn't work.

But you're right, the point of the meme isn't a comparison with other countries, it's what's happening there, it's what's at stake in the US. You want an anti-democratic, political minority-led, fascist government you'll find that with Trump and Barr, they're already clearly signalling it. They and the Republican Party have been willing to break the law in order to grab and maintain power. You like that? You want to live in a country that's run as a plutocratic oligarchy (outwardly a kakistocracy) so long as you agree with the party in power?

Why is it so hard to understand that the anti facista use violence to oppress those who disagree and anyone disagreeing with them they call fascist. Yet by using violence to oppress and force conformity they are the true fascist. Just because they label themselves one thing doesn’t change what they actually are or how they actually act. There were no fascists in the streets needing an anti fascist mob to counter them.

I know what you told me, you said try living in another country that implies that you lived in another country and enjoyed it there. I align your with the left because that is that is the platform your views mimic.

You want to live in a Greek style democracy not a Democratic Republic like we have. The Greek democracy allowed rule by a tyrannical majority and the rise of tyrants that you say you dislike. The duly elected president is not anti democratic. As a republic we are protected from the tyranny of the majority in California and New York by the electoral College. Our system of government has led us to success despite challenges for over 200 years and you want to change the government because your party didn’t win and deny the will of the people and the duly democratically elected government. That makes you a traitor plain and simple.

I've lived in five countries. I do have some perspective on what does and doesn't work. I'd prefer the US remain a federal republic. That's not where it's headed, which is (once again) the subject of the meme.

You keep telling me who I am, what I want and believe, who I ally with and what I've done. It may help you feel justified in your views to set me up as a target, but almost everything you've said about me so far is incorrect, so either I'm not being clear or you're incapable of understanding. Or both. In any case there is no communication happening.

"That makes you a traitor plain and simple."

You've convinced yourself that anyone who isn't a Trump supporter is a traitor.

I think we'll end this conversation. Anyone who disagrees with your views is not a traitor. That's a pretty strong term to accuse someone of. It's ugly. Maybe you feel better now because in your mind we're now enemies. You clearly need an enemy.

Think about how you are creating enemies rather than trying to find common ground. So long as you continue to do this you'll find a country full of enemies, enemies you're creating and you will have to live with. Arm yourself to the teeth, live in fear, live "free" if you think that's free. It's a pretty ugly life. You can have it.

I don’t care who you are and you make assumptions as well. Since we aren’t gonna date who cares. You believe in overthrowing the social order because you don’t like the president. Being a traitor has nothing to do with disagreeing with me it has to do with betraying your country. Calling the legally elected administration fascist is a stretch. You openly support violent demonstration in favor of the social order of the law. That is what makes you a traitor. Your peaceful disagreement is a your right. Your support of sedition and rioting against that government is not. Take it to the polls and vote. If you can’t win then deal with it. I will

We give police the right to use force for a reason. If someone is on a rampage endangering the broader public, the public has decided we need a means to stop that individual from endangering the masses. Can this power be abused? Yes, but it is illegal. We have recourse for that. The vast majority of the time police use force is when an individual is acting against the broader good.

Its unfortunate that a potentially unifying issue, like working to reduce police use of excessive force, became a racially divisive issue. Using 'Black' in the name coupled with the racially charged rhetoric from leaders like Colin helped make this happen.