just making sure you all know

There is no "you must be at least this gay to enter", there is no "your gender is too weird, we don't want you here". All we want is be accepted so we need to accept everyone else as well. And don't even start with the "but pedophilia is disgusting" - I'm not saying there are no limits to what you can do, but there are no limits on what you can be. Just like being gay doesn't mean you act gay too (in some places/circumstances it's illegal/not safe) being attracted to children doesn't mean you automatically force yourself on little kids - and you shouldn't, there are limits to who can give consent and part of that is maturity, which we can't really measure directly so we as a society have decided to link it to age. But pedophilia is just as involuntary as being attracted to the same gender or nobody at all or probably even animals. But it doesn't necessarily make you a criminal. Most of those people probably keep it to themselves out of fear for being immediately perceived as a criminals, some are probably even afraid of their own feelings and fight hard to keep their urges secret. Sound familiar? This is all our story. And there are certainly legal releases for even those urges so it doesn't need to end badly. But as long as we keep shaming people into secrecy and bottled up frustration the situation will only get worse and worse over time increasing the risk of something bad actually happening. So, we should listen to everybody's struggles and support everyone. And if I really need to write this what have you been reading all this time?, But I'll write it anyway: Me focussing so much of this comment on pedophilia does not mean I prefer it or I don't accept any other orientations. It's just a very underrepresented topic and I think it deserves some fruitful discussion finally like everybody else.

just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean you should act on it. like phycopaths (however you spell it). They feel the need to kill people, just like the way straight people feel the need to have a lover of the opposite gender and how gay people feel the need to have a lover the same gender as them. Does that mean they should be allowed to kill people? Same way with pediphiles, people that commit bestiality, people that commit incest, and necrophiliacs ( probably spelled something wrong again.) they feel attracted to that, but that doesn't mean they should act on it. it also doesn't mean they should bottle it up. they should seek help.

That's just what I said though...

Amen!

what's with people and long speeches these days?

Well, I have a lot to say on the topic and I won't cut it short because some people don't like to read. There are many nuanced points I'm trying to bring across and if I shorten the comment those points get lost. You can always choose to just not read my long comments - I won't be offended.

No idea 🤷‍♀️

I don't like long speeches. (no offence WiteRabid)

They are tiring to read but I read them anyways

I try to read them.

Same

but my eyes get blurry and stuff

Oof

no offense, but isn't standing up for pedos because they can't choose sorta like standing up for sociopaths because they can't choose? it's not really relating to LGTB though because it's not a sexuality, it's a mental disorder.

Yea it's a mental disorder. that's why they should seek help

yeah, some of them need help, others should just be put in a asylum

Oh my god can you please just leave?

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Well, what is and isn't a mental disorder is not quite as clear cut as it might seem. In some places/cultures being gay is counted as a mental disorder. And since pedophilia does influence who you are attracted to I count it as a sexual orientation. A problematic one for sure, but an orientation nonetheless.

no, being a child isn't a gender.

That's the first argument I accept. If you define sexual attractions only towards the same or other genders then pedophilia wouldn't fit. But then I'd find it difficult to place asexual or polyamorous people within the community... In general I just want to be very inclusive because if I wanted to shut everybody out I could've kept pretending I was straight and ignore that anything else exists. I understand why so many people want to draw a line somewhere and I also understand why pedophiles are usually on the other side of that line. But I personally felt overlooked so many times in my life - and still do almost daily, like at work - that I don't want to do that to anybody. Again, I'm not saying it's ok to have sex with children - I just want people who feel that attraction to be able to openly talk about it without getting attacked for their thoughts alone.

As a lesbian, I can affirm that anyone can be a part of the lgbtq community if they want, there are no restrictions. (We just don't allow any homophobes, transphobes, sexists, racists, or any other haters.)

but what about pediphiles they don't belong with us

wait I just read the paragraph

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As long as you accept our partisan ideology, we won't throw you out of your job.

By the way, what is a women?

This has nothing to do with partisan ideologies. Also, good luck trying to throw me out of my job.

If you don't know what a woman is maybe you should start with that before you get into the more complex stuff here.

It puzzles me how you think I was going to try to throw you out of your job.

No, what do YOU think a women is?

Well, "a women" isn't anything. "A woman", however, can be many things. There are no "rules" you need to fulfill to qualify as a woman. Most women were born female but that's certainly not the only way to be a woman. A lot of women have long hair but you don't stop being a woman when you cut it short. Some women like to wear dresses, some don't. What matters is, does a person feel they're a woman or not? Of course, if there are no strict rules how would you know? But since our society keeps insisting on certain classicly male and female attributes you might feel more strongly connected to some of them than their counterparts. That still doesn't mean you have to embrace all traditional gender attributes at the same time or even most of them. If for you the only attribute that makes you a woman is having boobs and you have boobs you can call yourself a woman and it doesn't matter if you have short hair, wear dresses or even have a beard. Just keep in mind that not everyone's defining feature is the same as yours.

I, personally, could really do without the definition of gender because to me people are people. Gender does not define who I am attracted to - there are far more important things to me. I don't care about my own gender - call me a man or a woman or whatever you want. But as long as our society collectively needs to make this distinction and if it is important to someone I will respect their pronouns and identity as soon as I know them.

So gender is fluid? Or gender cannot be changed? These two things cannot be true at the same time. If a gay man decides to identify as a woman then either we must say that he is no longer gay since now he is a woman attracted to a man, or, he's not actually a woman! If he's no longer gay, then sexual orientation can be changed.

Well, I think gender is a social construct. But you could say it is fluid as well. It is certainly a spectrum and your place on it can change. Sexual orientation can change as well but it is not a voluntary thing. I would argue that a person who used to identify as a gay man and then finds out they're actually a woman and now identifies as a straight woman did not actually change their orientation. The word for it has changed but they're still attracted to the same people. Not even their gender has necessarily changed. Perhaps they were a woman all the time and just hadn't realized it yet. You can't just define your identity and orientation and what you say magically comes true. You can only try to describe how you feel and that can be a fairly short process if at some level you've always known or it can take a very long time and many detours. Sometimes you might realize what you thought was right didn't feel right afterall and then you go soul searching again. Especially if you're still new to this and are still finding out about other people's stories and what they define as what gender or orientation it can be difficult to find oneself within all of it. And for some people the actual answer will change over time and they have to start all over again or just accept that their gender can change. There are no fixed rules, no definitive answers carved into stone that you will find if you just measure well enough.

It would be like trying to define your own eye color without ever being able to see it in a mirror or on a picture or video. Other people will tell you what they see but you don't even know if their definitions for colors are the same as yours. You might be able to figure out that you have blue eyes because that seems to be what everybody is saying but it could still be a cornflower blue, sky blue, ocean blue, steel blue that is almost gray,... And from talking to other people with blue eyes and seeing what theirs look like you might get a little closer to figuring out your own eye color. Now, many people might be completely fine to just call their eyes brown because everyone else does too, but some people just need to search further because that answer just isn't enough. And if you still think this is easy try doing it with your eyes closed...

You are still stuck on this same concept! Either gender is not fluid or it is.

I'm sorry, but science has never heard of a mentally stable person that cannot tell if it is a male or a female.

Do you know why people mentally stable and mentally unstable find it hard to know how they feel? They find it hard because there are a ton of sporadic views on "sexual orientation." They try to find one that fits their life best so it benefits them. They choose to deny science and common sense. They choose to tell their eyes that they are no operating correctly. They force their eyes to see the fit narrative.

Yes, there are "definitive answers carved in stone." Besides the Ten Commandments, science tells us that you are born with xx or xy genomes; from the moment of conception.

Guess what? Your eyes can see the difference between male and female!
The ideology that: "You don't know if the x will work for you, try to serve yourself and make the god that you want" is messed up.

Doing it with my eyes closed? That is the easiest thing I have ever done! In fact, I can take a test and ask a person what my results were. The only thing people who believe they are "another gender" are doing is taking tests as fast as they can, hoping that the "right many" comes out.

wow. You know, people can take pills/injections to have more features of the gender they want. and Why do you care so much about it? It doesn't effect you. Some people feel like a boy trapped inside of a girl's body, or vice versa. You wouldn't really understand unless you were trans or had close trans friends.

YOU know, this ideology: "You don't know the feeling, so it's okay" is the same ideology rapists use. They says: "I just really wanted to take out these urges. Do you know how hard it is not to do this?! No, you don't know, so you cannot have an opinion on the issue!"

Just because you feel a certain way does not mean that reality will bend to your emotion. Truth has an annoying way of reasserting itself, doesn't it?

Except one impacts others negatively, and the other doesn't.

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If you don't want an answer why did you ask in the first place? Infact, why are you even reading anything in this stream if you don't care what we have to say? I'm not wasting any more of my time on you if you can't even accept that sex and gender are two different things.

I do care about what you say. That is the only reason why I asked.

You never even made that argument! You never said that they were two different things. At least not clearly.

I'm sorry, I didn't think that was still such an unknown concept. Next time I will lead with that. I apologize.

I saying something because your ideology is skewed. It causes many problems for the world.

Our ideaology isn't what's causing problems in the world. The problems are already there. All we are trying to do is to make people aware of them the same way feminism did not create sexism, environmentalists did not create global warming, and BLM did not create racism. It's just at some point you can't assume everyone already knows what the problem is and it's already being taken care of. When it affects you directly it's sometimes difficult to remember that not everyone might be as involved in the topic as you. Just look above how I assumed it was common knowledge that there is a difference between sex and gender. To me that was painfully obvious and I couldn't understand how you couldn't see the points I was trying to make. But if that distinction was lost on you (no offense - I really should've started with that) your arguments seem much more understandable. And that is exactly why we need to talk to people about the problems we're already facing. I think many of the world's problems could be dealt with much easier if everybody knew they existed. Sadly, many people don't want to see the problems because it would mean they at least in part are responsible for perpetuating them. But this isn't about assigning blame - at least for me it isn't. If you don't know what you've been taught was wrong and what you did because of that hurt other people you can't really be blamed. As soon as you do know about the problem though, instead of continuing to - now knowingly - hurt people and claiming that the problem doesn't exist you could change something.

Now, what is the difference between gender and sex.

Problems don't co-exist.

I know of a problem that people don't want to deal with: abortion. The people who are perpetuating this mass genocide have many of the same beliefs that your ideology does. It is all part of this current progressiveness. Wanting not to see the truth. There is no other way to determine these things, other with The Bible, Science, and common sense; if you have any coming out of LGBTQ+ school.

It is a logical impossibility.