Change My Mind

You are stupid and uneducated

Why thank you

Now please explain why I am “stupid”

You're not. He just says that to people he disagrees with.

I think you need to explain why the electoral
College is stupid.

Well if we live in a democracy, then everybody's vote should be equal. However, the electoral college underminds this whole thing. Ohio is missing an electoral voter (they should have 19), meanwhile rhode island should only have 1 electoral vote, but has 4 (since every state starts off with 3 electoral voters), Texas is missing 10 electoral voters, and so is california. Technically speaking every 610037 votes should equal 1 electoral voter. So, smaller states get more votes per person than they should, and more populous states get less. So, one persons vote from wyoming is equal to about 4 californian votes (this is at the most extreme case). If the purpose of the electoral college is so that candidates go to the smaller states for rallies, then it is not doing so (see picture). This is because those states are "safe states" (in this case the small states are in the midwest, new england area, and alaska and hawai'i). So, candidates tend to go to the swing states, i.e ohio or pennsylvania. If people aren't ready to abolish the electoral college, we can just do what the state of nebraska and some others do, which is to split votes to the winners (I couldn't explain it very well, heres a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hU6Z4OgPTs).

In retrospect I probably shoulc've used another word instead of stupid.

"I am a conservative in California."

I know Arnatz. And a lot more!

Well we don’t live in a democracy it is a republic. The electoral college was put in place so a couple of states couldn’t dictate and decide for all the states. Not everybody thinks New York and California should decide for the rest of the country.

1) States don't vote.
2) We're both wrong, we live in a Democratic Republic (a mix of both)
(sorry if 2 came across as harsh)

"Res publica" absolutely does not mean "the law"! It means "the public affair"!

Ooh yeah I’m wrong sorry for the mistake

Thank you.

Your other misconception: even in ancient Greece, democracy was understood to mean elected representation. If you're talking about taking a direct referendum-style vote on every single issue - you're really only talking about the city of Thebes in particular, not Greece as a whole. Ancient Thebes was really the only time in human history where voter engagement and enthusiasm was so high that they could and did take a vote by the full votary on every single issue. The world had never seen anything like it nor has it since. But it is also worth noting that restrictions were very tight on who could vote to begin with - it's easy to run a referendum every weekend when you're only counting the votes of 400 landowning men.

Be careful with these guys - they always try to tie you down to arguing on their own terms when they themselves don't know the history behind these ideas. If you let them define the concepts under dispute, they'll absolutely define it circularly so that they're already right from their own definition. Don't let them. These words have clear meanings. An elected representation and a referendum are both forms of democracy and both can quite happily exist in governments that aren't even republics - ask a British person.

Be aware that he doesn't actually know what a democracy is. The USA has been a partial democracy since the beginning and a full democracy since the Civil Rights Act - and the only claim to saying otherwise is by using a definition of democracy that isn't valid.

I think you don’t know what a democracy is. The US is not a full democracy and here you are spouting your ignorance like a drunken rooster. In a pure Democracy majority rule prevails. Had this been the case no civil rights act would have ever been passed as in a pure democracy the minority always loses to the majority by simple vote. The republic part provides for basic rules and rights for all citizens to protect the minority. Brush up on your political science and spare us your feigned hyper intelligence.

Same argument as ever: democracy means people vote. Literally "rule by people". Sometimes it's 50%, sometimes it's 60%, sometimes it's a referendum, sometimes it's an elected representation, but democracy means you're a citizen? You get a vote. Rule by nobility is the past.

And you'll keep arguing back. And democracy will still mean people get a vote.

You are really dense or just being obtuse cause you can’t argue the point. People vote in socialism and communism too. As stated above we are not a pure democracy we are a democratic republic. A one person one vote system without the bill of rights or constitution would mean tyranny for all minorities as the majority could pass any law they approved of by majority. IE if women decided to make a bill that said men have to give them half their pay they could pass it with a simple majority. This explanation is more for others who may read this than for you and your ignorant bias.

1) some states do. In the aspect that all their delegates go to the winner based on majority of votes. For example in California all the delegates go to the Democratic Party every year because the Democrats win the majority vote. Even though there are millions who vote Republican. So in effect California votes Democrat as a state since they don’t apportion delegates based on the actual popular vote. Many If not most states are the same. Only the ones that apportion the delegates based on the popular vote don’t vote as a state.

2) correct we mix elements of democracy with a republic and the constitution, bill of rights and electoral college are all there to protect the individual from being trampled by the majority. In a simple democracy the majority can run roughshod over all minorities as they will never win the vote. This would lead to Tyranny of the majority.

Republic means there's no king. Democracy means people get to vote. For the five hundredth time, these ideas are not and never have been mutually exclusive.

Republic means much more than no king, open a book you stooge or google it and spend two Minutes reading the first few Paragraphs that pop up. People get to vote in both but the USA is not a full democracy like Ancient Greece you silly twit.

No. Many Republics do not run public elections for office. Including the one you love to hate - how many elections do citizens get in the Republic of China?

Rome, oligarchic Republic. Republic of Venice, all offices were elected by other public officials - citizens never got a part in the process.

Republic JUST means there's no monarchy. That's all.

"Definition of Republic." Dictionary.com. “a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.”

Chyyyna has a constitution and is a Socialist republic, and they do vote. Just because the vote is a communist party rubber stamp doesn’t change that their constitution allows or requires them to vote.

Your dishonesty is as brazen as ever.

And Webster's

A republic is where people elect officials to make the laws and vote on them, whereas in a true democracy (like seen in Ancient Greece) everybody votes on the laws. But part of a republic is not having a monarchy, but not it’s main characteristic. The word republic comes from Latin, where it means “The law”.

And Cambridge

She can’t get it.