Change My Mind

Why you post memes about wearing masks then?

Those who can be convinced to wear masks aren't the ones who need to be culled.

Lol, my IQ tests say otherwise

You're assuming a high IQ automatically correlates to fitness for survival. Highly intelligent people have often destroyed themselves.

Oh we're talking fitness for survival? Yeah I don't think I have anything to worry about there either.

Your ideas of intelligence and fitness seem rather glib to me.

Well good for you

Economic depression is an issue on its own whether or not the lockdowns are to blame for that. Mother Nature has no control over economy for that matter... Technically all economic flows, good or bad, is just caused by nothing else but human actions...

Is COVID19 a way mother nature tries to combat overpopulation? It's very well possible. Mother Nature is a bitch. She's merciless when there are too many of a species. After all predators are all tasked with killing, in order to keep populations under control... The meal that provides them is their reward for fulfilling this task. Yes, that sounds cruel, and it even is cruel, but that is how Mother Nature has meant it to be. This taken in mind viruses can be a way to keep populations under control...

Although viruses that can save your life and even cure you from certain issues do also exist... Nature can be as cruel as it can be nice, eh?

"Mother Nature has no control over economy for that matter... Technically all economic flows, good or bad, is just caused by nothing else but human actions..."

That's completely wrong. The economy is totally dependent on the environment, for resources and the health of workers.

No, it isn't.... It's always determined by how humans respond to such things. When humans don't care about it, economy won't be affected at all. When they do care, economy responds, whether that be for the good or the bad, or even both, depends on this response.

Economy is always flowing based on the trust humans have in the situation. When they lack trust the economy goes bad, when they have trust the economy will go well. That is how economy works. You can try to turn a blind eye to that, but that is how economy works, and it won't be any different because you deny that. One of the first things you'll learn in DECENT economy lessons.

Environmental disaster causes people to respond, and that respond will affect the economy, not the disaster itself. Never the disaster itself. In an environmental disaster turns out to be a goldmine to the economy it's only because people could see the pros that disaster brought, but only because people saw it. If they didn't see it the disaster won't be a goldmine. If a disaster turns the economy into a crisis, it's only because humans lost faith because of the disaster, or because they didn't get help from people elsewhere. Economy is strictly a human thing and only a human thing.

COVID19 itself is not a threat to the economy not does it make the economy grow. The virus doesn't have a clue about money and economy. The lockdown is, however the lockdown was a decision made by humans. If a different method to combat the virus was used, the economy would also have responded differently as a result, and if that was for the good or the bad, depends on the measure, and how people in turn responded to that measure. Economy is only dependent on how humans respond to matters and only that. Nothing else. And any claim stating otherwise is plain bullshit, and an economist saying otherwise is not to be trusted, really. And not matter how big the disaster, there are always multiple solutions, some more effective than others, and each will cause people to respond, and those responses are what makes the economy. Nothing else. Never has been. And never will. Well, unless aliens will ever land on earth and start business with us, as then they will affect the economy too, but that is because they will then play the same role as humans do.

I almost totally disagree. Yes, human psychology plays a part, but the environment plays a larger part. The flow of money is not the real economy.

You cannot disagree with facts. Only chose to not to acknowledge them.
No economy is 100% human psychology and nothing else. The environment never effects the economy directly. Like I said when humans ignore the environmental situation the economy won't respond to this. PERIOD! If you run out of resources due to this decision which might be a problem, then we can only come to the conclusion the wrong decision was taken. Environmental disasters have also been a goldmine for the economy, as some inventions were made to deal with these disasters, making a big run on these inventions, creating a money flow in the process, and the economy was booming, but then too goes, it where humans who did the inventions, and it were humans who began to buy them like crazy. It's always and only humans.

You can say you disagree what you want, but like I said, you cannot disagree with facts. You can only disagree with opinions, but that's not what I'm giving here. You may not like this fact, and you may refuse to acknowledge it, but that won't change them. Environmental issues never affect the economy.... Humans respond to these issues, and economy changes for either the good or the bad based on these responses. It's rule #1 of economy, the core essence of economy. Economy is trust. And trust is based on how humans judge a situation. This being an environmental disaster or a terrorist attack or people taking too many risks on stock markets or virus outbreaks or horrible accidents... The economical consequences are always depending on how humans respond to them... Human psychology is not just part of that... It's what economy is all about. The money flows that puts economy in numbers (along with employment numbers, stock values, etc) is always based on how humans spend their money and how humans spend their money is based on their trust in the situation and the solutions being suggested.

Like I said this is the first thing you'll learn in economy lessons. You cannot disagree.. Either you acknowledge or don't acknowledge that, if you chose for the latter and even call that disagree, it's only clear you don't know what economy is.

Typing "period" in all caps doesn't make something a fact. In fact, my economics instructor taught us about how the outside world affects the economy. In the case of an environmental disaster, we humans can pretend we aren't affected but we would be, and that, in turn, would affect the economy. The economy is dependent on the environment because people are dependent on the environment. If you refuse to acknowledge that simple logic, then I think your economics instructor was teaching a kind of religion rather than a science.

Did your instructor tell you how those this "affects" the economy? It doesn't affect anything not directly, but what he means is that humans respond to this, and that will influence the economy. It's always the human interaction to event that has the consequences If he denies that, I'd look for a different teacher if I were you. The economy is not dependent on the environment. It's because we humans put value in the environment that the environment has economical effects... Or rather it affects us humans, we respond, and so does the economy, in that order.

And no, my teacher, or rather multiple teachers were NOT teaching religion. You take what you THINK you know as a religion blinding your for that facts and keep denying them. I HATE religion, and I only keep it to science, but the problem behind economy is that science is exact. Economy only becomes exact when you measure numbers, but the numbers are always generated by how people make them to be. Does a movie sell well? Humans decide? Economic effects follow? Do we need electric cars in stead of patrol cars? (Environmental question). Humans decide, economy follows. Does the damage of an environmental disaster need to be paid up, or is there a different solution? Humans decide, economy follows. That's the order it goes. This is also why economy is hard, and even next to impossible to predict exactly, as nothing is as unpredictable as human behavior. How long you need to get from point A to point B, when you know A and B are 5km away from each other and you travel with a constant speed of 10 km/h, is just calculating. If stock markets collapse because an earthquake destroyed an important office of a big company like Microsoft or Apple, is completely dependent on how shareholders respond, and shareholders are humans, and the economic impact is based on this response.

No matter how you put it, it always comes down to human behavior. No religion. God does not determine how people think, and how much trust they have in the economy, after something bad happens. Economy is not an exact science for this very reason. The fact that you try to make it so, shows you don't know what economy is and how it works.

Whenever you hear people say that stuff affect the economy, they mean that humans respond to the event, and economy follows, however, this is a crapload of text to say all the time, so they leave it out to save text, but still that step happens. Still humans always stand between economy and whatever else

https://michael-hudson.com/1998/09/financial-capitalism-v-industrial-capitalism/

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4357055-wall-street-soars-while-real-economy-slowly-dies

https://www.jeremybwilliams.net/economists-must-learn-to-subtract/

https://www.eea.europa.eu/signals/signals-2014/articles/the-economy-resource-efficient-green

Everybody can send in links.... If you understand them is a different matter.... Considering everything you've said so far... Sorry, but based on that I seriously doubt it.

FYI, "real economy" is not some term thrown together by me, but an actual economist's term. I'd also recommend reading about "behavioral economics," and "finance capitalism."

All terms come forth out of this.... "real economy" is nothing but the numbers generated out of the data economy provides, the things that are really measurable. All these are however the result of human actions, and those actions are not measurable. That's the difference.

The current generation in Europe doesn't have enough people to replace the last one, and people are afraid of OVER population?

Europe isn't the world.

My brothers hate that I agree with this.

I hate that I agree with it.