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So glad you've joined the stream. You have some great questions!

Yes, there is a purpose to life. From my perspective as a Christian I believe we are created by God to know love and serve Him on earth so that we can be with him for eternity in heaven. I don't think animals have the same purpose as people but do serve a purpose otherwise God would not have created them. They are part of the circle of life.
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Thx for welcoming me!

I agree I don’t think animals same meaning according to your opinion XD
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Yeah I love philosophical questions
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Btw 42 is a reference to one of my fav book series (hitchhikers guide to the galaxy)
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Change My Mind Meme | The universe is a
  zero sum game. | image tagged in memes,change my mind | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
The trick is to escape that apparent rule ( :
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You are applying zero-sum bias which is due to your own cognitive bias to reach your conclusion, this is instinctive an behaviour being applied by yourself in this or any other change my mind debates. In this case doing the maths you are applying a linear programming duality in expecting the your solution is to be the best outcome in this complex mathematical problem,This methodology is called the Nash Equilibrium.
In fact the universe can only be perceived as a non-zero-sum game because we don't know the strategies of all the participating elements or the dynamics of the components with in this structure
best illustrated by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The zero-energy universe is just a hypothesis where you are playing with a deck of marked cards, in reality this can not happen.
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WELL THAT'S WRONG BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COURAGE AS AN EXAMPLE FOR EVERYONE ELSE ? THEORIES ARE
THEORIES AND
FACTS ARE
FACTS AND
NEVER THE
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I will belabor this point in my next ten lectures.
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My late departed friend Heinz Dieter Zeh 1932-2018 lived in Heidelberg before he died at the time I was visiting my cousin there. I had missed an opportunity to meet him again, I’m even sorrier about this now that such a meeting will no longer be possible or will it? Show me the maths that the Universe is zero sum game and I will bring the schnapps, speck und bauernbrot to celebrate.

This should help you get it wrong. {:-( }:-)

Dear XXXXXX

I come to you with sad OR happy news, but not with sad AND happy news.

First, let me clarify that, unfortunately, I haven't found your cat. However, I think that I can give you already some piece of relevant information: from my experience in the field, I don't think it is currently possible to transport the cat in a quantum superposition for too long, and therefore, by now decoherence must have taken action* and he/she must be either dead OR alive, but certainly not dead AND alive... :-( || :-)

Hoping that this doesn't come as too much of a surprise, and rooting for the second alternative ("alive"), all the best from Munich,
H. Dieter Zeh, father of decoherence.

* I can assure you that I was not part of the environment that may have caused the decoherence process, nor I played any part in a measurement causing the collapse of the cat's wave function (at least not consciously).
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That's a nice letter. Your friend sounds to have been a awesome fellow (and I think I have said such before).

Now to clarify still further, I am not saying that the universe is a zero-sum game (although it may be). I am offering the proposition that the universe is a zero sum game, and asking all comers to adopt the opposing position in spirited debate. However, as a vital rule for my involvement, I think we must either agree to standard ground rules of scientific philosophy, for example the idea that theories can never become facts or be treated as such or, if we wish to depart from conventional philosophy, we need preface such departure with either a suitable argument justifying the departure OR our departure must be so breathtakingly brilliant that it may be deemed excusable and excused in light of our mutual recognition of the brilliance.

That being said, and I hope you'll agree to its fairness and reasonability, I do currently mildly favor the idea that the universe is zero sum. My position is based in the following model and its math, that the universe is either infinite in size or closed in a way that effectively prevents exchange of stuff with or manipulation by any 'other' universe or dimension or whatever the hell else might be out there. By this model, mass and energy are just flying back and forth in big bangs and big crunches forever and ever, and there is no obvious mechanism for non-zeroness. Thus I see the challenge to all comers as one that can demands escape from the hard constraints of such a model. My earlier text was simply asking that your argument conform to the etiquette of letting theories be theories, a request that I imagine you'll grant.
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If you believe in a omni present immortal god as a creator which to all intend is irrational then by way of that an ad hoc assumption is that there then has to be an inexhaustible supply immortal omni present gods as a result of all the big banging and crunching as you put it, this in itself is a mechanism for non zero. Remove this deity from the equation the chaos will still remain the same, all we have left is the fact and not the theory that you will die and no longer participate in the "game" thus there is a loser and therefore cannot be zero loss, which kind leads me to of all the poop in the world, who decided bat shit was the craziest?
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Well if we're just going to ramble senselessly now, I have other things to do. 'If [I] believe in an omnipresent immortal god'? Or in other words, magic! I don't at present. If I don't and am going to die, my atoms will yet live again many times. Let's not knock it til we've tried it ( :

I was a winner when born. If I lose it when I die, well at least I had the years in between to enjoy. We can have all of this and many worlds more after the next big bang. Be patient. Try some decaf in your caf.
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Whatever, it strikes me that you can apply your theories and not many tangible facts but whatever I present is ridiculed derrrrr. a prime example of a non linear encounter, and to boot a none zero sum game. If this was to have been considered zero sum game you would need to accept my opinions are equal to yours and provide the balance that is zero sum.
By the way it's called the Big Bang theory, Multiverses are a theory, String theory and reincarnation is a myth, I don't drink coffee but i've enjoyed our debate even if you think I'm a rambling idiot, be seeing you.
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The meaning of life is to get your name to be an answer to a crossword clue. After you’ve fulfilled your purpose you can just jump off a cliff.
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Why 42? For the literal-minded and those unfamiliar with terms like "base thirteen," quote "Cave man" lays out following sentence in Scrabble stones: "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"
Arthur: Six by nine? Forty-two? You know, I've always felt that there was something fundamentally wrong with the Universe. (Faint and distant voice:) Base thirteen! That's the bit many miss.
This is a number system in which the number 10 is equivalent to our more familiar decimal 13. A base 13 number 42, therefore, is the same as four 13s plus 2, or decimal 54. So "six by nine" (six times nine) or decimal 54 is, in base 13, 42. For the mystically inclined, 42 in base 13 is the same as 101010 in binary (base 2). This could mean almost anything, For example, there are many mentions of the number in the Book of Revelation (for Kate_the_Grate). Others can find 42s anywhere and everywhere. eg. The angle at which light reflects off of water to create a rainbow is 42 degrees.
Two physical constants in the universe are the speed of light and the diameter of a proton. It takes light 10 to the minus 42nd power seconds to cross the diameter of a proton.
The sum of the ordinal alphabetic positions of the initials (SPG) for Stan (P.) Gibilisco, an oft-published science and technology writer, is equal to 42 (S=19, P=16, G=7).
A barrel holds 42 gallons...
So you see my late friend knew what he was writing,
“We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys.”
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It’s from a book... 🤣🤣🤣
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This is DA's explanation for using 42. Read it again...
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for humans it is to destroy the planet with pollution and for animals it is to survive.
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I don't think there is one. I think we live and die and then after that, who knows? No one, that is who. Why? Because if you die, you don't live...you are dead. Near death experiences are nonsense, if you ask me, so let's not go there. I do think that it matters if you are a good or bad person. Not in some entry into heaven type way...somehow your cosmic aura lives kn when you die, is what I believe. What that is exactly, I don't have a guess at. It is beyond what a human being can comprehend.
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As a Christian, mine's the same as Kate's
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First you must find how to find truth.. for w/o truth there is no meaning.
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When you stand at the North Pole which direction can you walk?
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All directions are south from there.
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Correct, finding the truth is easy, you must just learn how to separate facts from opinions.
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Fact and opinion begin before you open your eyes to see truth external.. first you must know self and account for your mental biases or fallacious thinking.
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That's not a fact it's an opinion but to you it's a fact, to someone else it's not, like Schrodinger's Cat, neither one or the other but not both Dead or Alive...
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No.. it is a fact that we're born with certain innate mental biases and critical thinking is learned. I do not even credit ppl as knowledge based beings until they discover skepticism and question their own deep seated emotional beliefs. When you do that, you'll discover the real you, the True Self under all the layers of the onion. What you'll discover is that our emotional inner child is a tyrant who wants singular authority over what she allows to be true, as if refusing to accept things makes them untrue or grants power over reality to revolve the world around the inner self.
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You're wrong, if a child is born deaf dumb and blind (many children are born this way Congenital Deaf blindness) what language does it reason in? all it knows is itself and that everyone around is identical. There is a line of thought that involves DNA but that's too complex for debate at this level. As for layers of an onion well that's watching one double feature too many.
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A child born blind and deaf would reveal the Freudian Id, in just the same way which a feral human child does.. and that Id is just as I've described. My model of the psyche starts with the Id, not societal influence or learned behavior.
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Now Jungian makes an appearance, lets throw in Franz Joseph Gal for good measure then we will have all the lunatics from the asylum. Just as people believe chunks of rock wizzing around in the Firmament or the scattering of stones or the dealing of cards governs their lives.......what! these don't even qualify as pseudosciences. They are just tools used by clever practitioners to keep themselves on the gravy train for life by bleeding the gullible dry.
The rule is believe what you want to believe and live a good life because you only get one innings.
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Freud's views of personality remain controversial and Id is just hocus pocus, every creature gets hungry and thirsty and needs to defecate thats not an Id it's instinct. A dog bites you not because it's vindictive it's being instinctive. Nothing Freud said or wrote can be proved as a fact, nothing. My colleagues David, Jane and Louise are eminent psychiatrist and will always tell anyone 'that in their opinion' and never that this is a fact. In a court of Law only one person is expected to state facts and that is the accused everyone else expresses an opinion, in that way they can never be held responsible for getting it wrong. Fact you are born you live you die, that's it. Once everybody realises and ignores all this Freudian Oedipus crap then the world will be a better place.
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It's irrelevant whether you call it the Id, Jungian Shadow, or the Ugly Ego as I call it. It is just the name of the basic mental programming we're born with and which shows up in behavior of every child on earth, all around the globe. Freuds oral, anal, genital stages of development have their insight into human nature. We're much more than that or rather we have much more complicated innate mental software than wants or basic instincts. Kids learn to share around the world. Kids learn not to busybody. They learn to be honest, to control their emotions, And wounded kids who become narcissistic reveal the same narc behavior from here to Australia.. which says there must be a mental program for this behavior which they activate.
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