Well gee, that was unexpected. I learned a lot about the pain many here feel toward me. Can I get a do-over?

Hmm. I would be willing to give you a second chance. However, the rest of the site is not so likely to forgive you as long as Cringe_Hard remains a stream. Since there isn’t really a private mode, it’s still accessible to anyone who knows about it, negating any effect that unlisting it would do. Also since the memes won’t show up on your profile and are only accessible to those of us who know about the stream, it just looks even more like you’re attacking other memers behind their backs. If you truly want to show you’re committed to a more positive Imgflip, I think deleting Cringe Hard would send the strongest signal of good faith to those who otherwise would not be willing to give you a chance. While you’ll never be able to win over everyone, I think you would win the most hearts if you rolled safe and deleted the stream. You can always download the Cringe Hard memes, create a new stream, call it something like Kylie’s Meme Stash, and reupload them to the new stream, making sure that you remove any references to other memers and stop posting links to the comments section so we can see who you’re criticizing.

Just my two cents on the issue

The seal of the President of the United States of America represents the protection of our freedoms and symbolizes two approaches. The olive branch on the left symbolizes peace. The quiver of arrows on the right symbolizes war, if necessary. While these two ideas stand in apparent contradiction, they pursue the same goals.

My involvement in Peace_On_ImgFlip is the olive branch.

Cringe_Hard, as I conceive of it, is the war angle.

I use the stream to call out hateful, bigoted attitudes and errors in thinking I encounter that cause real damage to real people. And which are, I believe, are ruining our country. When I meme about politics in this stream, I always try to vigorously attack the attitudes but not the person. (And as I've also referenced, the stream is also a scrapbook, a way of celebrating others, and platforming other things I found interesting.)

The links are intended for any interested to go to the original comment and assess the context themselves. But if ceasing that practice would appease others then I can do so.

Respect is foundational and should be a first resort. However: the memers here on Peace_On_ImgFlip stream also know that standing up to bullies also requires bravery and vigor. Properly understood, Cringe_Hard is about that as well.

More reasons I am hesitant to delete the stream just because some people have a problem with it and the hate they say it has generated.

I will be weighing my options and may have further questions for you, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

But it’s what keeps landing you in trouble in the first place. You don’t see conservatives calling out users like Manhattan, panskeptic, or damagedgood for the most part because they don’t do the whole submit a meme behind your back thing. If you have to resort to that to feel you won the argument, how strong was your argument in the first place? Even if it was a good argument, it just takes attention away from the point you’re trying to make. Plus you can always create a new stream with a name that no one is going to complain about and post your overload political posts there. I was already thinking of creating a stream to anyone to dump political posts in myself.

My point is, if you want to show you truly want peace and leave no doubt in anyone’s mind that that is genuinely your goal, deleting Cringe Hard is the best thing you can do. Sure it’ll suck having to build up a new stream that won’t get you called out, but you will be arguing on a lot less shaky ground.

Plus if Cringe Hard is deleted, I don’t think there would really be a need for KylieMinogueSUCKS anymore. I’m willing to bet Syd would agree to delete KMS if there’s no more Cringe Hard to criticize. So think of that as incentive.

I've thought about it, aaaand

No, no I don't think I will.

Here are my sticking-points.

1. I have no confidence in SydneyB, VagabondSouffle, and the like to bug off if I consent to their demands that I self-censor. I've witnessed them troll others relentlessly and interacted with countless other memers who report the same. Deleting my stream would set an example of the bullies winning. Further, I have no confidence that they would either delete the stream in the first place or keep their hateful Kylie-related content in their pants so to speak and off other meme comments sections. So if they want to waste their time continuing to whine at me for whatever reason, that's fine. Because every moment they spend whining at me is a moment they're not spending whining at someone else, and at least I can take it.

2. The direction this stream has taken should have never been approved by yourself and ImgFlip to begin with. It's flagrant abuse of terms, and orders of magnitude more spiteful than anything I've ever done on this site. You disagree it violates terms, but you're just not looking at this properly. If this stream doesn't constitute harassment, then nothing does.

3. At the risk of ticking you off again: more legal analysis. It stands to reason that the more of these hateful images they make and ImgFlip sponsors, the more likely it is that Kylie's lawyers will take an interest. You say "satire," but I've explained why this is incorrect analysis. And if I were her manager, I would not be so sanguine about this stuff in this era of fake news.

So my modest proposal to them is this: Get over your hate. Or continue to whine and damage the reputation of themselves and this site.

And my modest proposal to you is: Step up and your job as a Mod. Not because I told you to, but because it is the right thing to do.

I can't do either of those things for you. I can only try my best to lead you to reason.

That is all.

Then we have no reason to trust you are actually keeping your word that you are committed to peace. So I don’t want to see any more about how you are going to get legal action taken against Imgflip because some shitposter drew fake cum on Minogue or claiming same is bullying. It’s not.

The memers here know I am committed to peace, even if some of the adults on this site who have taken no interest in this stream until now are incapable of seeing that.

I have been involved in growing this stream since its very inception. See: above meme I posted 3 weeks ago in the BePositive stream and I believe the StreamAnnounce stream. I’ve followed and contributed to other similar streams.

See also this, my very first contribution to this stream, where I compiled several other positivity streams in the meme comments: imgflip.com/i/3zlb6f

The others can unmod me if they think I’m no longer supporting the stream’s mission, but I don’t think they will, so long as I continue to contribute positive content, support them in their times of need, and defend their interests.

As for bullying:

Okay then

What is “bullying” according to OlympianProduct?

bullying to him is farting around. he does not realize that people like vagabondsouffle and sydneyB made several people suicidal, including me and some of my friends.

Thank you for sharing this. The Mods need to hear about how serious this can get.

friends? (:

I’ll stop posting comments with links to the original meme for awhile as a social experiment

We’ll see if that new practice gets me brownie points with anyone

But if any stream followers request it, then I will reinstate it

Sound good?

I am tired of the imposter posting porn memes.
imgflip.com/user/Ryry-The-King-Of-HTF

The alt account himself is still active somehow.

And the other stream on himself needs to be deleted.

I should also mention, though it has received less attention, that I also created a stream for calling out bad behavior and violent attitudes on the Left end of the political spectrum: imgflip.com/m/Cringe_Left

And the meme I have attached was one of the top memes in PoliticsTOO in the month of December.

I posted a meme a couple days ago on this stream about bullying of me, much as others here have done. I figured it was time for me to share my own personal story of bullying.

However, it created a reaction I was not quite anticipating. It is hard to summarize what happened: in short, I received a pretty strong backlash regarding my own actions which others asserted instigated the bullying.

I do not want the bad taste of this discussion to linger and alter in any way the tone of this positivity-oriented stream.

So, I want to try to get this conversation back on the right footing by issuing a few apologies.

1. I apologize for “threatening to sue ImgFlip.” Be aware that I am a lawyer and interact with lawyers on a daily basis. My wife is also a lawyer. So my mind has a habit of jumping to legal places without me even realizing it, and I have a tendency to offer off-the-cuff legal hypotheticals as a result. It does not mean a whole lot to me to do so. However, I should have understood that pretty much everyone else here is not a trained lawyer and therefore regard lawsuits as scary and unusual things. So: I should have been more careful when discussing matters such as the potential for lawsuits against ImgFlip, or perhaps never aired such an opinion at all.

2. I apologize to anyone who has felt hurt by my cringe stream, imgflip.com/m/Cringe_Hard. When I started this stream not long after joining ImgFlip, I was not aware of the existence of an “unwritten rule” saying something to the effect that memes about other memers should not be featured. What I did notice was that memes I created in response to other memes’ comments sections appeared in my profile, with a “submit this image” button. It felt like a waste to me to leave the memes unsubmitted. I figured I would have enough content to sustain my own personal politics-oriented stream. As some of you know I am rather productive, and I felt throttled by the 2-per-day meme submission limit in the “politics” stream. I also was unable to submit to PoliticsTOO at all within my first 30 days. All of this was the impetus for a new stream that I titled, in a tongue-in-cheek fashion (or so I thought), “Cringe_Hard.”

After a certain point in time, I began receiving criticism for this cringe stream concept. The attacks on the concept of this stream felt politically-motivated, as they most often came from conservatives, and so I did not pay them much mind and continued to barrel through...

...not realizing that the principle of not submitting memes “behind the backs” of other users may have been founded in a longstanding, nonpartisan tradition. Even if the original memer obviously saw the meme because it was right there in their own comments sections.

I still assert and ask others to consider that the stream is primarily about politics, which is always fair game for discussion in my view, and is most definitely not about any one memer in particular. Part of my legal training is being capable of compartmentalizing and coldly analyzing arguments (political or otherwise) distinct from the person advancing them. But that seems to be a rare trait these days, and I should have been more sensitive to the more prevalent attitude that attacks on one’s political beliefs can feel like personal attacks.

I have been asked to delete Cringe_Hard. I am hesitant to do so. I have put so much into it. And CH has grown from its original mission to encompass a scrapbook of my entire ImgFlip journey. It includes healthy doses of humor and positive-oriented reactions. It is essentially a running diary of the kinds of things I like and am interested in. So while Cringe_Hard feels like a personal project, I have become more aware of the impact it has on others, and for a while have been steadily retooling the stream to be more positive in outlook. I will also look into setting the stream to private as opposed to a “public” stream.

More to follow probably but for now I need to sleep.