wow who could have predicted that? certainly not me!

And that benevolent government stated they were no longer going to treat people who have coronavirus and are over the age of 60

people over 60 are in low priority first off, but how does this refute my point? if you lose your job during this crisis, where are you going to get health insurance if you injure yourself or have cancer? at least in italy if they dont have a job they have something to prevent them from being one of the 60,000

How does it refute your point, hmmmm...Well in this country you still GET TREATMENT...in Italy, if you're over 60 just die

you dont seem to understand what low priority means
and no, if you dont have insurance in this country you dont get treated. there was this 17 year old who might have had covid who died because he didnt have insurance and the hospitals turned him away. theres debate whether he died because of covid or if he had other underlying issues, but it doesnt matter because it shouldnt have happened at all. in italy he wouldnt have been turned down. not in france, not in germany, not in canada, not in norway, not in sweden not in any other developed nation. we are (and i cant stress this enough) the ONLY developed nation that doesnt have at least some kind of single payer system. tying healthcare to our jobs is set up to fail and theres plenty of happy little loopholes companies like uber can slip through to not provide it. 60,000 people die each year because they cant get to a doctor. you dont see those numbers in other developed nations.

"and no, if you dont have insurance in this country you dont get treated.

FALSE. I previously had no insurance, and received medical treatment at multiple hospitals. You are speaking out of your ass.

then tell me why that 17 year old was denied. was it the wrong sort of day?

You provided no link to support your story...I can only tell you there is a federal law that requires hospitals to treat people without insurance when they need emergency care

A federal law called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires almost all hospitals to provide treatment to all patients who need emergency medical treatment regardless of whether the patients have health insurance.

Now please, go do some actual reading.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-teenager-death-california-health-insurance-care-emergency-room-covid-19-a9429946.html

heres the 17 year old being denied service because he didnt have insurance
im aware of that law you mentioned

Read better.... "turned away from URGENT CARE" not a hospital.

You just said you were familiar with the law I posted, clearly you are not familiar with it, at all. If you were you would realize a hospital and an urgent care facility are not the same, and the aforementioned law doesn't apply to urgent care centers.

So, as I said, you can get emergency care at a hospital with out having insurance.

sorry i mistook the urgent care center as a type of hospital but do tell how this proves me wrong that our healthcare system sucks and lets people die because they cant afford to be covered

unrelated but i think it's important to see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfIsuMmncm0

it's largely where i heard about that 17 year old, but it's about what the elites are doing during this crisis and it kind of makes the average joe a little mad, at least i think it does, you might be made a little happier inside idk but give it a watch if you have 30 minutes to spare

It's not ANY TYPE OF HOSPITAL...words have meanings and you don't get to change the meaning to fit your argument.

The Urgent Care even directed him to the hospital, and died on the way.

It completely proves you wrong. You can get healthcare in America from a hospital without insurance.

In Europe they are just letting people die based on their age, which is absurd

so the kid getting rejected because he wasnt covered and then dying because of it is totally fine to you and you dont see a reason to change that?

And they only change acceptable is for universal healthcare? WTF?

You're being selective with your outrage and it's absurd. You whale about this single instance, which is tragic to be sure, but you wilfully ignore Italy just abandoning those over 60. Or what about Charlie Gard in England? Or what about England's NHS saying they will not treat people they subjectively believe to be racist or homophobic?

youre more upset that nhs workers can 'refuse to provide non-critical treatment to patients who are verbally aggressive or physically violent to them' than people literally dying because they cant afford insurance in the us? let's not ignore how you dont understand what low priority means.

if the urgent care center's only reason for turning him away was the fact that he didnt have insurance, not because they werent a hospital and couldnt have saved him, how does that make it any better? they could have saved him. but instead they sent him on his way to a hospital further away and he didnt survive. that is injustice and should not have happened.

youre vewy sowwy that happened to that kid but you havent the balls to stand up and say that something is wrong because the brits are based and the italians are putting people over 60 second in line, so their system doesnt snap like ours will if we dont do something to slow the spread

how are you able to see a kid die before he can experience life and wave it away, saying, 'how unfortunate an occurrence. couldnt have been helped though' and blither on about big government whataboutism like what you saw was completely normal? what life do you lead where it's okay to ignore the suffering of others because you personally had a nice time with the health insurance industry?

Again, it's SUBJECTIVE. Again you dismiss a Government refusing care to citizens.

It's clear you have zero interest in being intellectually honest.

The kid couldn't have gotten free health care AT A HOSPITAL. You don't die from Coronavirus overnight. He must have been sick for at least two weeks, then he went urgent care and they directed him to a hospital TO RECEIVE CARE.

There is zero whataboutism here. You falsely claimed people cannot get healthcare in America without insurance, then to support your debunked claim you highlighted a story that proves your claim wrong again. Then you dismiss the denial of care by the Italian Government and British Government.

I engaged you in an open honest manner and you accused me of whataboutism reasoning, when I didn't employ it. You should read what it is, so you can understand it.