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Stop debating with dumb liberals like me: get into the courtroom with those knock-out arguments! | IF "LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION," "ABORTION IS MURDER," AND THESE PRINCIPLES ARE OBVIOUS AND IRREFUTABLE MATTERS OF SCIENCE AND LOGIC; THEN GO THE THE SUPREME COURT, RIGHT NOW, AND OVERTURN ROE V. WADE! YOU HAVE A 5-JUSTICE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY! HOW HARD COULD IT BE TO CONVINCE THEM OF THESE SIMPLE FACTS? | image tagged in supreme court,abortion,pro-choice,pro-life,conservative,science | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Be careful what you wish for.
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It will never happen. This is why.

You can keep tinkering around the edges and impose additional restrictions here and there, but the American public supports Roe v. Wade.

If abortion were ever actually banned, there would be a liberal backlash the likes of which you’ve never seen.
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I would agree in the un likeliness of being overturned for a similar reasoning.

However, The likeliness in the tinkering succeeding is stronger.
Something along the lines of allowing individual states to decide as an amendment wouldn't be hard to envisage, once you disregard your individual logic and beliefs on the matter.
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Some states have already effectively regulated abortion clinics out of existence. That seems to have been the most “effective” approach (effective at denying constitutional rights that is)

So keep plugging away but tread lightly because the American public is against you
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I am just stating the obvious, once you look at things without your viewpoint coloring the outcomes.
You haven't a clue only assumption when you write that the public is against me. I am not writing from me. I am trying to envisage 330 million people and their possible directions on the matter. You dont/ wont know what I think for sure in this matter.

The chipping away in incremental steps is standard procedure for those wanting to change a law or get a whole new one on the books. You could say it is something that the left is most adept at doing.

The laws are often changed incrementally and there is enough contrast between U.S states and their beliefs to have an individual state overturn the roe/Wade decison.
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I don’t think my own views on this are influencing my prediction of what might or might not happen.

I’ve cited public opinion polls (which have been quite steady on this issue for the past 50 years) as the basis for my theory that a total abortion ban will never happen — solid factual grounding.

I‘ve conceded that smaller restrictions on abortion have happened and can continue to happen.

For Roe v. Wade to be overturned by the states as you suggest, however, the anti-abortion movement would have to clear all the hurdles provided for amending the constitution in that way, including a vote by two-thirds of the states. So, far the “constitutional convention” procedure has never been utilized in the country’s history, though we’ve amended the Constitution 27 times.

Is it possible? Anything’s possible. But highly unlikely 2/3 of our states would do this when the public opinion polls say what they say.
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Just a note. I'm not saying they would overturn supreme court decision getting 2/3Rd majority, that's not probable / possible.
All I mean is they would defy federal law to ban abortion at the state level, thereby effectively bypassing the Roe/Wade provisions. In the same way some states have extended the window for aborting, you narrow the window. And that is of course where individual states in effect null Roe/Wade.
I think we are much on the same page as to what will change, little to nothing.
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"(effective at denying constitutional rights that is)" There is no right to homicide in the Constitution
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IF "LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION," "ABORTION IS MURDER," AND THESE PRINCIPLES ARE OBVIOUS AND IRREFUTABLE MATTERS OF SCIENCE AND LOGIC; THEN GO THE THE SUPREME COURT, RIGHT NOW, AND OVERTURN ROE V. WADE! YOU HAVE A 5-JUSTICE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY! HOW HARD COULD IT BE TO CONVINCE THEM OF THESE SIMPLE FACTS?