Funny, last I heard, they were going with a scholar's argument that high crimes and misdemeanors weren't necessary, misconduct would suffice...
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Funny, the report itself specifically puts "obstruction of justice" on the list, which is THE impeachable high crime. So. No idea who told you that one.
Oh, so have we doubled back from the Ukraine and doubled down on obstruction? I'll have to read this thing tomorrow. I'm not defending Trump, but all I've seen since 2016 is Dems throwing mud, hoping anything might stick. And the effect it's had on our country sickens me.
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"I'm not defending Trump"
Yes you are. Don't lie to me. You're trying to find an indirect way of doing it.
I'm just saying I haven't seen a justification in singling out this politician. If he's to be impeached, then we need to clean house. Double standards are the plague of partisan politics.
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Great. Put together as strong a case for the ones you don't like as there is against the President. But spoiler alert: they don't just blurt out their crimes on Twitter like he does so you've got your work cut out for you.
Actually, you’ll need more than that and you have to pick one of the two only parties available to be President.
No, third parties don’t have enough electorates to win.
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Should be an easy sell if you've got something solid. Maybe talk to the hack attorneys who are already trying exactly that. See where they're at so far.
I have listened to the actual arguments and have not come across a solid answer. But you are right in one aspect. It's not rocket science... It's political science.
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I don't believe you. You've either NOT listened to the actual arguments or you HAVE come across a solid answer.
The testimony was absolutely damning: Trump completely blew off the entire diplomatic process to have his personal lawyer - in breach of the Foreign Agency Registration Act, in breach of advise and consent of the Senate as per the Constitution, in breach of the treaty with the Ukraine - to pursue inquiries on a hair-brained conspiracy theory he read on the Internet hoping it would discredit his political opponent in the next election.
And you can't see a solid legal charge in that?
And you want to take down other politicians? This is babytown frolicks. This is the easy mode. How are you going to go after politicians who actually know what they're doing if you can't see the writing on the wall on an easy case like this?
So some people said (testified) he broke the law, and we believe them. But other people said another guy broke the law, but we don't believe them. But the first guy broke the law for believing when other people said the second guy broke the law. Do you not see how absurd this all seems from a detached perspective? Anyhow, I'll check out the report tomorrow and see if I can find anything that is substantiated.
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You're not a detached perspective. Don't lie to me.
EVEN IF TRUMP'S SIDE OF THE STORY IS TRUE, Rudy Giuliani is not allowed to conduct foreign policy. Trump should be using State Department channels - which entails his own appointees - and he DEFINITELY shouldn't be covering up his tracks by withholding documentation on it when requested.
But go ahead and read the report, I'm sure there's lots in there you'll be obtuse about as well.
And by the way, I don't like any of them. So that's per politician.
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Word to the wise? Even if you get just one, you'll be doing pretty well. People call their careers successful if they just make it to trial on one Congressman.
Collusion with Russia, Fixing the election, or Quid Pro Quo ? they all seem to have disappeared from the report once investigated. So we must be down to investigating a off limits, extra special, Corrupt Democrat no matter how guilty they are.
I have a mental image of you...about 32, living at home in your parents basement, banging away on 13 year old Dell, and when your not surfing porn in your mammies panties, you are raging against the machine... you must be a laff riot to be around