Thank you Ami Horowitz for your great youtube video

Republicans: *close down the DMV in black neighborhoods*

Republicans: see? Nothing racist to see here at all!

But that has never happened... But you know what has?

Democrats: *Dispraportionately open planned parenthoods in black communities*

Democrats: What? Their was a zoning issue?

Random citizen: But the founder of Planned Parenthood literally said she sees black people as a disease and is trying to limit their population.

Democrats: You racist! How dare you bring up that poor white lady! Nothing to see here!

Random citizen: But what I am saying is true. She literally is on record saying...

Democrats: RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!

Alabama 2015, they were caught closing black community DMV's and were forced to cut that out.

Oh no, just like every political party caught doing something wrong, they have to stop it... Oh wait, my example is still going on. Yours is not. My example is on the national scale, yours was one small group...

Quite apart from anything else, your example has nothing to do with the subject of your own meme! You set the topic of voter ID.

Once again, you example is an isolated example that was stopped. The purpose of them closing it wasn't even for voter suppression... So no, I fail to see your point.

The point of my meme is that both power house parties are arguing over voter id, white liberals are calling it voter suppression, but anytime someone goes into these black communities, they are like "what are you talking about? I am fine with a voter ID."

Your point was that Republicans are racist despite your example not being related to voter suppression. So I gave a rebuttal with racism from the other party as well.

I am happy to have a conversation, but if you aren't interested in having a back and forth on both topics, then what is the point? And I mean that sincerely, with all due respect. Let's have a good conversation.

Isolated example? They're trying it again in Texas and Georgia. Both states that enacted voter ID laws.

Voter ID laws pass and then DMV closures follow. It's not an isolated incident, it's a repeating pattern.

And I'm not particularly interested in bouncing meaninglessly between topics without resolution on any particular one. That's not my idea of good conversation. That's not anyone's idea of good conversation. If you want to go around telling people how racist Planned Parenthood is, that's up to you - talking when you should be listening is most of your problem with the black vote anyway.

Okay, fair enough then. Let's go down this route, I have no problem with that. Once again, did not actually adversely affect people. In other words, like you yourself even admitted "they tried."

So then we should ask, why even require voter ID laws anyways? Well, the answer is that the last two election cycles, every case of voter fraud has come against the democratic party. Both allowing illegals to vote and counting fraudulent votes (such as counting a democratic vote twice). Voter ID is a thing because DEMS have already broken the law. So to me, it is a bit of a mute point to jump to these isolated cases that haven't even come to fruition. And yes, isolated, because it isn't what the main party is pushing.

If someone like Trump, Lindsey, or another party leader said close down DMV's in black neighborhoods, then sure, not isolated. But that isn't what is happening. But what did happen was when it was found out in Texas that they were allowing illegals to vote in the 2016 election, democratic party leaders denounced the detractors as racist... So that wasn't isolated. One party is actually playing unfairly, and the other seems to be trying to catch up from where I am standing.

What are your thoughts?

In the 2016 election, there were 4 confirmed cases of voter fraud. Four. You can count them with one hand and a missing finger. Disenfranchising thousands of people off the voter roles to save 4 fraudulent votes is not justifiable.

So then you guys go "ok, but what about the unconfirmed Democratic voter fraud?" and then we are just using unprovable theories to justify very real voter disempowerment.

I'm not having it. Democracy is too important to be throwing votes out because you're afraid that MAYBE they MIGHT be used illegally.

It's spelled "moot", by the way.

But 2016 wasn't 4 cases, unless you mean 4 large scale cases. The total amount of missing votes for Trump, last I saw them counted, totaled over 300,000. The third party candidate, I think her name was Jill Green or Stein, even paid millions of dollars to prove Trump cheated only to find thousands of his missing votes, and thousands of illegal votes.

So no, they are not unprovable, in fact they are flagrant. What is provable is that everyone of adult age is required to have an approved state ID. You need it for anything (work, living, even travel). A voter ID would be no different.

So yeah, in response to the "I'm not having it. Democracy is too important to be throwing votes out because you're afraid that MAYBE they MIGHT be used illegally." it isn't a maybe and a might, it is already happening. But the voters being thrown out are American votes.

And to be honest, I know how to spell moot. I swear it must have auto-corrected. But that does lead to me wonder, where is your heart at man? I keep asking for respectful and good conversation. You said you don't like me jumping around on topics, so I dropped the one you favored the least. You made points, and I stuck to the criteria you gave for good conversation. Are you telling me how to spell moot because you really think that it is helpful or are you really not interested in listening to me? I mean, I can sit here and say, "It would actually be a republic that we are throwing away, not a democracy." The constitutional framers made it clear that a republic would serve the interests of the people better and longer than a democracy.

But where would that get us? A tit for tat. I can see you are passionate about the topic, and that is to be commended. But let's be productive about it. You think this is bad, then keep bringing up examples and let's work through them.

My point is simply Voter ID is no more suppression than government ID's. Every black person in America has ID, so why would this all of a sudden be suppression? Where are the articles on "blacks dealing with car suppression?" Seriously, even the examples of closed DMV's, one side says it is voter suppression. Could you care to articulate what a conservative news outlet said was the reason for the possible closures? I think it is important to see both sides before formulating a conclusion.

No. Not 4 large scale cases. 4 votes. 4 people's votes were fraudulent. Jill Stein's pursuit didn't really go anywhere, you just heard what you wanted to hear.

"Every black person in America has ID"

See, this is why I know that you're not doing this in good faith, and why my heart is not in investing a lot of time in your worn-out talking points. That. Is. Not. True.

Not everyone has ID. Not everyone can drive. Not everyone has a social security number - did you know that? There are people who have no documentation at all.

BUT. People are required to verify their identities with the state at the point of registration to vote. Bringing your ID to a voting booth is unnecessary, as the state has already verified who you are, and an obstruction for people who can't get that ID very easily. Undocumented immigrants can get caught trying to register to vote when they're not eligible; it's very rare for them to seriously try. You're fighting a problem that doesn't exist with no regard for the effects it has on people who do exist - and you should be letting black people tell you what the problem is, instead of acting like you already know the answer.

"No. Not 4 large scale cases. 4 votes. 4 people's votes were fraudulent. Jill Stein's pursuit didn't really go anywhere, you just heard what you wanted to hear."

False. And I don't even need to do extensive research to prove it. Seriously, look up the federalist, or heritage.org, as well as the left leaning sources. Both say the other side is lying but one side interviewed people asking how they voted in 3 states and they are going "I did what?" This gives a sense of credibility to one side, not the other. And yes, Jill Stein's pursuit didn't go anywhere because it started to expose the side she would rather have won, so she quit while she was ahead. It seems you are the one who likes hearing what you want to hear, tbh.

"See, this is why I know that you're not doing this in good faith, and why my heart is not in investing a lot of time in your worn-out talking points. That. Is. Not. True."

I could give you the point that my statement was a bit hyperbolic by using the word "all," sure, plenty of black people might not have ID. But, there is no credible case of this issue of "no ID's" dispraportionately affecting the black community. It has been debunked multiple times.

"Not everyone has ID. Not everyone can drive. Not everyone has a social security number - did you know that? There are people who have no documentation at all."

For those that have no documentation... sorry to be the one to say it: that is illegal. Sure some people don't drive, but that's a choice. Nobody is stopping them if they want to get a license. And if someone doesn't have a social, you do realize that is an extreme case and most likely fraudulent? My son couldn't leave the hospital when he was born till he had his social setup so who here is trying to vote and doesn't have a social? I hate to say it again, but they probably are illegal then. When my family migrated to the US, my parents had legal socials within a week. And my siblings and I had ours within the year once we established our residency here.

And to your last point, then what's so wrong with a voter ID? Just like your government ID with a picture on it and would track to make sure you voted once? What is the harm in that? Why is it that you see it soo evil to add some extra measures that ensure elections are fair? Especially when there is a clear need for it and no substantive proof that it would be discrimanatory?