John oliver

Again, nobody really expects you to be open to dating *all* transwomen - selectivity is inherent in the dating process - but you may well be expected to be not a dick about it.

"Again, nobody really expects you to be open to dating *all* transwomen"

But you're asserting that I'm being bigoted and aggressively exclusionary by only being open to dating transwomen who pass to a degree I'm comfortable with. If the vast majority of transwomen are excluded by my dating preferences, that isn't my problem.

I had a coworker who is a 19-year-old male who identifies as a woman, but doesn't (yet) present as a female in any way, shape, or form, and has more facial hair than I do. This person doesn't look or sound remotely feminine, and will most likely never pass (without a great deal of surgeries). Unfortunately, this person seems to have gotten some very bad genetics.

Should I be open to dating this person on self-identification as a woman alone?

Where is the acceptable cut-off point, in your mind, of how well I should expect a transwoman to pass?

You're allowed to have standards. Stop telling people who want to be cute and want to pass as beautiful women but have severe issues with their body images what they are. You're being a colossal asshole.

"Stop telling people who want to be cute and want to pass as beautiful women but have severe issues with their body images what they are."

The worse they pass, the more delusional they seem, e.g., Riley Dennis, The "Gamestop Ma'am" Tiffany Moore, Jessica Yaniv, Stefonknee Wolscht, Zinnia Jones, Lati K, Hannah Mouncey, Rachel McKinnon.

They seem to think they're already beautiful and cute, and expect everyone else to treat them as such.

I would date every one of them before I would ever date you.

Well... ok. I wouldn't want to date someone who thinks their behavior is acceptable. I don't know you and I presume you're a guy - was that supposed to hurt my feelings?

And I don't know you either, so putting this in a way you'll understand is very tricky - but just try, TRY to follow this.

Imagine if you will a hot, young, beautiful woman, highly desired by many measures. And one day she posts on social media "I absolutely would consider dating a fat, middle-aged, bald man, as long as he had the finances to support me."

Well, you're not doing badly, right?

"No no, that's not enough. I'm talking expensive vacations, I wouldn't have to work, clothes from the fashion shows in Paris..."

Well, you're an able person, right? You can get a promotion from work. You could work your way up to executive management. Hell, you could start your own business - you don't know the future, you could become rich.

"No, I'm talking like - if you didn't get your first promotion at the age of 21, you'll never really be what I'm looking for, because you'll always remember there was a time in your life you needed to be careful with your money and that mentality will never leave you."

OK, are you still with me so far? Now answer me this:

Is this woman's original statement a sign of compassionate openness for fat, middle-aged, bald men everywhere?

This is a good YouTube channel that will clarify why I have discomfort with post-pubescent transitioners:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqEjpXh1Hn7-ZiRsNxmeKdg

Are they really a girl trapped in a boy's body, or is this just their fetish? That becomes difficult to distinguish after puberty.

By your argument, I should feel comfortable dating the Gamestop Ma'am, Jessica Yaniv, or Stefonknee Wolscht if we had the technology to make them look like exact clones of young Britney Spears or Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande.

It's clear you haven't paid attention to my argument for one moment. By my argument, you'd just admit that you DON'T feel comfortable with transgenders and you wouldn't be trying to give meaningless rationalizations that insult the very people you're pretending to be open to.

"By my argument, you'd just admit that you DON'T feel comfortable with transgenders and you wouldn't be trying to give meaningless rationalizations that insult the very people you're pretending to be open to."

They're not meaningless. Rod Fleming goes well in depth on the very important differences between autogynephiles and HSTSs on his channel.

How am I pretending to be open to them? I've had like 6 amazing dreams about Emma Ellingsen since I found out about her.

My coworker who identifies as a woman doesn't look, sound, or act remotely feminine, and my other coworkers and I all had a very hard time using this person's preferred pronouns or picturing them as a woman. I'm guessing this person is most likely an autogynephile.

Let's suppose I meet a beautiful transwoman who started her transition at 25 or 30. She passes very well and looks like a normal woman... but she was also a very attractive chad prior to her transition... and she turns out to have 10 baby mamas she impregnated when she lived as an adult man.

Dating a transwoman who has lived as an adult male is a potential can of worms I don't want.

Your argument IS asserting that I should feel comfortable dating the Gamestop Ma'am, Jessica Yaniv, or Stefonknee Wolscht if we had the technology to make them look like pretty girls. You seem to be asserting that I should be open to dating all or most transwomen because they could become pretty at some point in the future - a gamble I don't want to take.