Scooby doo mask reveal

Literally, it says that it happens if you are suffering on His account, I.E. if you're following Jesus and people hate you for it.

You know you aren't following Jesus. Don't claim the promises meant for those who are.

I wasn't talking about any of what you just said. I was basically saying that you misquoted the Bible. You were saying righteous people were the object of persecution, instead of people who follow Christ. It's a difference of nuance, but you used that difference to say that you are righteous (according to the Bible) while you're clearly not following Jesus.

Your other points are very interesting, but they're not relevant to my original post. I'll explain them anyway.

Yes, there are the Westboro Baptist Church type people. They're going beyond God's words to, like you said, be jerks. I would doubt that they're actually Christian, given the very unchristian way that they act. They are misusing the Bible too.

Yes, Christians suffer like the rest of the world. There is no denying it. But Jesus himself doesn't take the psalm absolutely literally. In Matthew 4:10-12, the devil quotes from Psalm 91 to tell him to jump off of a high building. Jesus declines. He was not going to misuse the promise of Scripture.

Psalm 91 promises God's deliverance from all trouble, not that believers will not have trouble. Even if the believer dies, God still delivers the believer by bringing him to heaven. It also promises God's presence while the trial is going on in verse 15. That's also reflected in Isaiah 43:2.

The Bible clearly teaches that Christians will suffer trouble, but that they will always have God's presence to strengthen their lives.

You're right. I was thinking of the wrong verse.

We can talk about the logic of your meme. From the verse, righteousness implies persecution. True. But just because your persecuted doesn't mean you're righteous. You could be being persecuted for other reasons than just righteousness. That fallacy is called "Affirming the consequent." Also, you don't subscribe to the Bible's idea of righteousness, so you can't claim the Bible's promises to the righteous.

A Christian is someone who believes in the Bible and is resolved to obey it. I don't decide that what those people are doing is "unchristian," the Bible does. Take, for example, Westboro Baptist Church. They protest carrying signs that say "thank God for dead soldiers," which is directly opposed to the fact that "God is not willing that any should perish." They don't do things "decently and in order" and portray God as absolutely condemning of any viewpoint which is not their own, contradictory to the fact that God loves the world It's very clear that they are not following the Bible. I'm not being the judge, the Bible is.

There is no God's Presence-ometer, you're right. But unlike magic pixels, God's presence has helped Christians to go through unbelievable trials. From not submitting to the ruler of the world on pain of death (Shadrack, Meshach, and Abednego), to more modern examples like meeting and forgiving her Nazi torturers (Corrie Ten Boom,) to being a missionary to the tribe that killed her husband (Elisabeth Elliot,) God's presence has helped Christians do things that they could not do on their own strength.

A quick analysis of your comment shows me that you tell me I'm wrong in my interpretation of the Bible, but you don't give any scripture to back up your claims. If I'm wrong, prove it so by scripture. How you/other "Christians" feel has no impact on whether the subject is following the Bible.

It's no can of worms. Christians believe 100% of the Bible. Period.

If "get their beliefs and values and doctrines directly from the Bible," could you explain where? You couldn't find a New-Testament passage that comes anywhere close to what WBC is doing.

By the way, your initial meme looked like you were claiming that you were righteous. You also argued about it in the first and second comments. Your shift is very interesting.

The Lot argument is pure boloney. Lot had righteousness in that he could not be comfortable in Sodom, that his mind could not be comfortable around sin (2 Peter 2:8). But Lot was weak, and when 25+ men were beating his house down in the middle of the night, he broke. Notice, however, that God rescued his daughters, saving him from the consequences of a sinful decision.

In another passage in Judges, God is describing the wickedness of Israel, and something very similar happens. God is describing wickedness, and he brings up the same type of crime. It's very clear to any Christian who's reading the scripture that God does not condone such action. It's also very clear that you're hunting for a straw man to attack the Bible's morality.

If God's presence is not real, than why don't you have anything comparable for athiests to the three examples I gave?