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Hell violates the concept of punishment fitting the crime | THE LEVEL OF PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIME; *NOT* THE LEVEL OF AUTHORITY OF THE LAWGIVER | image tagged in hell,punishment,crime,justice,authority,law | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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That all depends on your understanding of the punishments delivered in hell.

The Mormons have the worst hells (in my opinion, 4 of them), but they say that 4 of them are heavens, and then there's outer darkness..... The way I understand it, if you aren't in the top heaven (the Celestial Kingdom), then you get to see the heavens above you.....so you get to see how good everyone else has it (above you), but you don't see the heavens below you, or outer darkness.
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Actually the Wrath of God, will make you begging for the lake of fire.
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Well at this present time, you have the grace to say such things, but within the next 100 year, or sooner, you will find out.
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No this life is a transitory life. One where the elect hates and flees to their Savior, and the other the “reprobate” cleaves to and loves, because this is all they have.
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Actually the Creator, could just make you for the sake of destroying you. He doesn’t need a reason, because He is the creator and we are His creation.
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Are you speaking of the atonement of Jesus Christ? Christ did not purchase everyone, just the sheep of His flock.
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Jn 10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.

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Jn 10:22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."
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So in what context is the world when Jesus speaks these words?

Jn 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
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The word “world” does not mean everyone, otherwise these verses would never exist.

Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,

Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
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Jesus himself said, I pray not for the world, but for those you have given me out of the world. That right there tells me that Jesus did not intercede on behalf of everyone in the world. Only to those whom the father gave him did he intercede for.
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The “world” means “gentiles” and not just the jews. Listen to Augustine.

CHAPTER XXVII. Limits of God's Plan for Human Salvation 103. Accordingly, when we hear and read in sacred Scripture that God "willeth that all men should be saved," 221 although we know well enough that not all men are saved, we are not on that account to underrate the fully omnipotent will of God. Rather, we must understand the Scripture, "Who will have all men to be saved," as meaning that no man is saved unless God willeth his salvation: not that there is no man whose salvation he doth not will, but that no one is saved un-less He willeth it. Moreover, his will should be sought in prayer, because if he willeth, then what he willeth must necessarily be. And, indeed, it was of prayer to God that the apostle was speak-ing when he made that statement. Thus, we are also to understand what is written in the Gospel about Him "who enlighteneth every man." 222 This means that there is no man who is enlightened except by God. In any case, the word concerning God, "who will have all men to be saved," does not mean that there is no one whose salvation he doth not will--he who was unwilling to work miracles among those who, he said, would have repented if he had wrought them--but by "all men" we are to un-derstand the whole of mankind, in every single group into which it can be divided: kings and subjects; nobility and plebeians; the high and the low; the learned and unlearned; the healthy and the sick; the bright, the dull, and the stupid; the rich, the poor, and the middle class; males, fe-males, infants, children, the adolescent, young adults and middle-aged and very old; of every tongue and fashion, of all the arts, of all professions, with the countless variety of wills and minds and all the other things that differentiate people. For from which of these groups doth not God will that some men from every nation should be saved through his only begotten Son our Lord? Therefore, he doth save them since the Omnipotent cannot will in vain, whatsoever he wil-leth. Now, the apostle had enjoined that prayers should be offered "for all men" 223 and especially "for kings and all those of exalted station," 224 whose worldly pomp and pride could be supposed to be a sufficient cause for them to despise the humility of the Christian faith. Then, continuing his ar-gument, "for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour" 225--that is, to pray even for such as these kings--the apostle
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, to remove any warrant for despair, added, "Who willeth that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth." 226 Truly, then, God hath judged it good that through the prayers of the lowly he would deign to grant salvation to the exalted--a paradox we have already seen exemplified. Our Lord also useth the same manner of speech in the Gospel, where he saith to the Pharisees, "You tithe mint and rue and every herb." 227 Obvi-ously, the Pharisees did not tithe what belonged to others, nor all the herbs of all the people of other lands. Therefore, just as we should interpret "every herb" to mean "every kind of herb," so also we can interpret "all men" to mean "all kinds of men." We could interpret it in any other fashion, as long as we are not compelled to believe that the Omnipotent hath willed anything to be done which was not done. "He hath done all things in heaven and earth, whatsoever he willed," 228 as Truth sings of him, and surely he hath not willed to do anything that he hath not done. There must be no equivocation on this point. Augustine on Faith Hop and Charity.
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No one is able to keep the law. That is the thing which you miss.
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And Jesus also said, if you deny me before man, He will deny you before His Heavenly Father, and what did Peter do the night before Christ was crucified? peter denied Christ 3 times. See, the relationship between the elect and Christ does not hinge on the elect’s actions, but on what Christ did for the elect.
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Because in the historical record, Augustine followed Paul the closest amongst the early church fathers. After Augustine is Wycliffe, then Huss, then Luther, then Calvin.
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Sounds more like the great modern day Protestant churches and the roman catholic church. I simply showed you that “world” does not mean “everyone” because it doesn’t.
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and you have no shown me how I am wrong, while I have shown you how I am right.
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God can and does whatever he pleases to do with His creation.
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Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
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No I have moved on to quoting Augustine! The next in line from Paul.
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I thought I was typing. Oh I see you used an idiom.
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