Critical Thinking

....ummmmmmm... So?

You don't understand that star clusters outside of our galaxy should be light years away by now? Our galaxy moves at 1.3 billion miles per hour, if something is outside of our galaxy we wouldn't be able to find it after an hour much less 10 years. Do you understand? If you have any more questions, make it official. Visit me at The Official Flat Earth Globe Discussion page on Facebook. But be ready to wake up! Tell them Eric De Soto requested you.
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That's why it takes several millions of years for light to travel to us - hence the term "lightyears".

I'm still not clear on what your reasoning is here. And we're doing it here if at all, not on your Facebook page.

Now, now! We're in the presence of a fellow critical thinker. Let us be Socratic and allow him to defend his thesis. 😜

#noTrolls

Humorous to you, but I take this seriously. I don't appreciate condescending remarks and I won't accept them. This concludes our dialogue.

To Octavia_Melody, CHRISTINTELLIGENCE says:
" I don't appreciate condescending remarks and I won't accept them. This concludes our dialogue."

Allow me to help then..

If an ocean liner is moving along on a slow cruise at two knots, and if you're in a row boat drifting, say three miles away, and you can see all the festive lights on that other boat as it slowly crawls away, you will continue to witness that ocean liner for a long long TIME...

In other words, the dimensions are RELATIVE

The SPEEDS are relative..

Dipshit, CHRISTINTELLIGENCE shut you down, (Read inside the quote marks for their remark) I simply responded to them.

No insults please. This concludes our conversation.

Authoritative. Okay let me break this down. Something 'outside' of our galaxy is moving away from us not with us. For an object to move with us, it would have to be in our galaxy. You should research the various vectors and speeds at which we travel (according to Mainstream Science). If it is possible, I will post a data graphic that I have regarding the various 'speeds' of Earth, The Sun and Galaxy, etc.

This number is too big and is bogus. Nobody has ever suggested that this is the speed of anything. The speed of light is about 671 million miles per hour and nothing can move faster than that nor appear to move faster than that.

My typo is real. The speed is 1.3 million miles per hour. If you check out my latest post you will see all the speeds listed in detail. Take a gander, please. Furthermore, I haven't referred to being able to 'perceive' light from an object. What I am trying to explain is that, these 'objects' that exist outside of our galaxy are long gone. No telescope is going to pick up on an object that has been moving away from us for many centuries. Let me give you a crude example. You're in a vehicle going 140 mph. Another vehicle, moving in the opposite direction is travelling at 130 mph. Even with the best binoculars in the business, after so many miles you wouldn't know where that other vehicle was. Does that make sense? I hope so. We are supposedly in the Milky Way Galaxy travelling in the opposite direction of an object not in our galaxy. We're moving at 1.3 million miles per hour away from that object for 200 years. How many miles have we travelled? That's a lot of miles. At the end of the day, NASA faked the moon landings (it's been verified) and now everyday people are waking up from the deception. Space is fake and I was hoping that you would wake up today. Please research The Flat Earth.

No.

If you're in a car going 140 mph, the other car is going 130: relative speed is 270mph. Speed of light is 670 million mph - way faster. It's constantly giving off light. So the light is always going to reach us.

Galaxies moving at 1.3 million miles per hour at opposite direction, 2.6 million mph relative speed. Relativity will come into play but even without that - this is still well below the speed of light. So there's no reason that our supply of their light would ever be interrupted.

The speed DOES alter the wavelength of the light as we perceive it - this is the red shift - but we'll always be able to see something no matter how long it's traveling for. Why wouldn't we?

The light is always going to reach us? Good God, that is impossible. I like how we are talking about space as if it exists. I don't want to do this anymore. I can spoon-feed you data all day long but the truth is that you must research the Flat Earth and find it on your own.

Why is it impossible for light to reach us? By what mechanism would light no longer travel from any point to us?

Again, for the 80th time, I am talking about a 'physical location' not light. Goodnight.

(You haven't presented ANY data so far! This conversation so far is just a thought experiment.)

There is no edge. A protective dome sits atop the Flat Earth. There is no edge, you would meet the bottom of the dome.

A rocket recently hit the dome. I do have images. I'll see what I can post today. The government has been trying to penetrate The Firmament (Dome) for ages, but to no avail. I will link you to this video. It's pretty interesting. Watch it with the volume off to truly see what is happening. https://youtu.be/4ZtXkV8jlfs

Correct, everything is moving away from us from our perspective. This accounts for the red shift spectrum we observe when we look at other galaxies (see "The Doppler Effect).

So what?

Why don't you understand? If we're moving so fast away from an object for thousands of years, how are we able to find it, track it or pinpoint it? We can't. NASA claims that we can but they have no proof of that. It is Science Fiction. And the cheap kind too! The same 'math' and 'science' that they utilize to create the 'illusion' of Outer Space has betrayed them in the long run. I am not trying to change your mind or argue, I am merely pointing out some pertinent details. We shall agree to disagree at this point so that no feelings are hurt and no unwanted emotions rise up in the process.

Light travels at roughly 186,000 miles PER SECOND. That is why, to answer your question, we are able to find it, track it and / or pinpoint it.

The other celestial bodies are moving away from us, but the divergence has NOT exceeded 186,000 miles per second, I think the current calculations for expansion are closer to 30 / 38 miles per second.. (it's been a while since i've reviewed this subject, but the point is the VAST difference between thousands of miles per second verses tens of miles per second.) )this is also the explanation of RED Shift in the visual spectrum, as the bandwidth of light is stretched, similar to the effect that occurs with sound as objects move away from us..

Frequencies.

Thanks, still waiting for proof of your claims. I like that you regurgitate Freemason Science. Now go verify their data for yourself. I'll wait.

LoL! Go find yourself any half way decent 6th grade science book and read for yourself..

TRIGGERED.

I'm sad that my suggestion that you find and read a sixth grade science book TRIGGERED you. Should I have suggested you start with a 1st Grade coloring book?

I know, I know.. you want PROOF that 1+1= 2

No one invited you or your kindergarten mentality to reply to me so please see yourself out.

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Why wouldn't we be able to track something outside our galaxy? Light can still travel to us. It's red-shifted a bit because of the speed but nobody said it's moving faster than light.

Don't cop out. I'm NOT agreeing to disagree - no way; this isn't a matter for opinion! There is a methodology here to find out one way or another what the truth is and I want to know what your reasoning is. If you believe in it enough to stand by your reasoning, lay it out.

We can go back and forth all day long. I am the minority here. But know this, 40% of people born between 1982 and 2004 know the Earth to be flat. Water doesn't stick to a spherical Earth while shooting through space like a rocket ship. Also, gravity has never been proven. You must do your FE research first before confronting one of us. I can teach you things about the Heliocentric Model that will blow your mind. And it's the model that you say is accurate! Fear God but beware, Flat Earth is coming to a neighorhood near you! Good day and God speed. #noTrolling

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Ok, I'm going to ignore your obviously bogus statistic but you still haven't presented a mechanism by which we'd be unable to observe distant objects. If you understood these things, you wouldn't need to refer me to anyone else's research - you'd be able to break it down yourself.

A ray of light can take fifty billion years to travel across galaxies but there's no reason it wouldn't reach us in the end. And we'd be looking at something fifty billion years old, but that's still something outside our galaxy that we can study and learn from.

So why wouldn't we be able to see it?

I shall appeal to your common sense. What just came out of your mouth, do you believe it? Are humans able to measure something in the 'billions' year old category? Look I get it, you think you're sharp. I do this for a living. I wake people up. I present parties with information. I have presented you with some information and all you do is combat me with more NASA jargon. You either work for them or you have a PhD is astrophysics, which is a joke either way. You don't control me. I told you that we're done. Hopefully you can respect me in that manner and let us part ways. You love space, I do not care. Enjoy your delusion. When you said that we would converse on this forum, I was submissive. Now I am saying that I am done. Respect my directive. Goodnight. I will never believe what you believe and unfortunately you won't ever wake up from your Freemason-led University pseudoscience. Toodles.

Nothing I said is at a PhD level. A strong high school student could tell you the same thing. So understand: if the depths of your professional expertise can't stand up to high school level science, what hope do you think you have against ACTUAL PhD-grade cosmologists?

There's just no way. You're not waking anybody up with that attitude.

You said you do this for a living. Does that mean you don't have a job?

Not to be that guy... but the Cavendish Experiment has been able to prove the existence of gravity. And it's not some experiment that only NASA can perform; it's an experiment that High School students can do in their garages.

Fact is, you don't hate to 'be that guy'. Lots of holes in the Cavendish Experiment and it's never been replicated so I don't know why we're talking about that. By your assumptions an asteroid moving through an asteroid belt should pick up a moon or two in the process and that has never happened. Why didn't you keep it simple? Show me where water curves around a ball spinning and tumbling through outer space at speeds unfathomable.

You keep referring to 'red shift' as if you have proven it by yourself. Got any proof that it exists or are you just going to side with NASA on this one?

It's the Doppler Effect. Have you ever heard a fire truck's siren as it speeds past you? Applies to all waves. You can work out the shift in wavelength for a given speed - it's just an inverse correlation.

Dude, get her number! That's prime pillow talk material right there!

Too young is definitely eww, so good for you. But I always have time for sweet talk about the nature of our universe.

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'politics' seems somewhat out of place

'Politics', yes, but not by the world's standards. This is about governments. My Father's versus whatever is instilled here on Earth.

Damn mikki, you speak as if you're a boss or something. A humbling situation would serve you well. You're a little too confident. It's disconcerting.

To be honest? I speak like someone who actually wants to understand what you're thinking.

Not like someone who's just going to accept any nonsense you write - but someone who actually wants to critically understand what you're trying to present.

And you will not get a fairer judgement than that. So if that's too bosslike for you, you're not going to have an easier time in many other places.

I understand you. Since your youth, Heliocentrism has been shoved down your throat. The school system taught you about Globes and planets before you learned how to tie your shoes. That's interesting. When you get to elementary, middle and high school, these substrates have already been fully developed. Whose fault is it? Blame the teacher? You cannot. They are given state-endorsed material to propagate. They are just doing their jobs, I guess. Can anyone prove that the Earth is billions of years old? They cannot. That is where common sense comes in. You have to be able to shut off the programming that The System put in place. Shut that erroneous foundation off and start to look at things empirically. What do you see when you look out to the horizon on a beach? When you fly, what do you see? What do you feel? Are we whizzing through space at impossible speeds like a terrestrial space ship? Is it possible that what you were taught is all a lie? If it is impossible for the school system to lie to you then there is no hope that you will wake up. If you are a critical thinker and question things then yes, you may one day arise from the haze that The System designed for you. I pray to Christ that you will see the light. So many people will never k ow the truth about cosmology. You are bright, you will see the light. No pun intended. Heliocentrism is modern day paganism or 'sun' worship. It is a religion. You have to believe in outer space for it to be real. You have to have faith in it. Academia is pagan and their desire is that you would be hive minded and be just like them. Wake up sister.

Come on, man, is this necessary? This is a newb for crying out loud, sheesh. And you know what? Just like Mohammadism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and yes, Atheism, Christianity is still a valid choice.

A newb, just making memes. Not some overly aggressive pompus ninkompoop hopping on your memes trying to force you to go to Church. Not cool with the message? Fine, maybe move on and let this person breath.

Choice is not solely the prerogative of women wanting abortions or people selecting a fake imaginary Baskin Robbins Tumblr flavor of the month gender or whatever else, 2000 years have established that this is eligible too for the selection process.

And for the record, as you know, I'm not a believer myself. But when I look the world out the window (or at this screen) one inescapable FACT sings at me: This world we inhabit? The philosophies, the lifestyles, the technology, the culture, the laws, the rights - they were all spawned by not just religion, but A religion.
Anyone wants to hang on to that? That's their decision.

As for the rest of us, can you imagine this humanary stew WITHOUT religion to keep from exploding? The irony is that you're complaining about a religion that allows you to do it. Most others? You wouldn't be so lucky.

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Lol notice how his title says "critical thinking" while showing a picture of ancient mythology"

Yeah, brought it up via username and meme?

You ridiculed from the get-go.

The OP had later stated that the intent was that this meme was made for offsite, not discussion here.

The OP also stated not being interested in continuing this dialogue.

Absurd? "Judge not lest ye fave Tumblr genders be judged"

Imagining living in medievel Europe requires no imagination because we live in a world like that today. Check out today's news about India's actions in Jammu & Kasmir, or life for anyone not of the proper sect in literally every single Moslem- excuse me, Muslim country right now, today. Every. single. one. Take a walk in any of them and see how long you'd last.

This is NOT Medievel Europe, this is the Modern World recreated in the image of one single place whose fervently Protestant Anglo culture dragged us all out of the lingering clutches of what would still otherwise be very much like the Middle East and got us to the moon and back AND spread that gift and others throughout this planet, something no one has been overly eager to do since Cyrus the Great 2600 years ago. N-N-No one. Oh, and he was the first and previously ONLY one to do so, and that was with his conquered subjects, providing they accepted his reign. The rest? They took, took, took till there was not a thing of worth left.
America didn't stumble into doing what it does, it was founded by people who laid the roots of what it does.

I am not a Christian. I have no religion. Religion is man made and it is a disease. Loving Christ does not make me religious at all. I have a relationship with The Creator, and I shall not relinquish that bond. I have been through the fire, people's words scathe me, but I have not let go of my King! I will die with this faith stapled onto my head! There isn't a soul in existence that can pull me away from my Father!

I applaud your faith and hope you find all you seek and the strength to do so...

Thanks man. I didn't think that there were nice people left in the world. I was losing hope there for a second! Question, good sir. Am I able to edit a comment once I post? I hate seeing grammatical errors within my responses.

I'm hardly nice, in fact many consider me a troll or whatever. I can get really vile and annoying. But I reserve that for those who act that way themselves.

Unfortunately no editing functions here (although the site is constantly making improvements, so who knows it one day...
The only option is to reply to it a correction with an asterisk added.

And yes, I have a job. I am a chef at a restaurant. What I meant is that I Flat Earth with a passion. This is my real job actually. Cooking for clients is for paying the electric bill and veterinarian fees.

This retard does not represent Christianity. Christians are not flat earthers. We've learned to walk upright many, many moons ago.

I think anyone can point to a verse somewhere in the Bible and spin it to "prove" anything they have to say. I just have low tolerance for these conspiracy nuts. Especially the ones who think every mass shooting or other tragic event never really happened. Yeah, tell that to the families who just lost their loved ones.

You copied and pasted my previous response? You say you're not trolling?
Your response isn't accurate at all. I grew up a heathen and no one told me about Jesus' love. It got so bad that I tried to off myself when I was 21. Christ was the only one that came to the rescue. As I held the gun against my right temple, I started to squeeze the trigger. Another millisecond and my brain would have been hot soup on the wall. I heard a voice that said, 'my son, if you do this you shall surely go to Hell this evening'. I started crying and threw the gun down. When I turned around to see the source of the voice, my closet door was completely open (previously it was closed) and all of the lights in the room were on (previously all lights were shut off). Through the doorway and on my dresser was a picture of Christ. Here's the kicker. How did that picture get there? I was a practicing Satanist, I wouldn't dare have that in my room! Ever since that day I went on a hunt to find out who spoke to me. That was 13 years ago and today I am a Christ Man. You can deny The Father all you want but you will reap that which you have sown. You can copy and paste my information and reword it all you like. You can troll me, hell you can hurt me, but one thing is for certain you cannot prove that the Earth is a sphere. If you could, you would not resort to these childlike schemes. I called you out on trolling once, and I'll do it again. I shall no longer respond to you because I see that you are a deceiver, manipulative and of an evil heart. You have no proof that Earth curves so you try to annoy or belittle me. Christ is real and the Earth is flat. It would behoove you to watch your footing around me. You think that I am stupid because I do not agree with your views. That, essentially, will prove to be your most complex error.

Understand this:

Whenever my family travelled, they picked a tall building and showed me how to measure the noon shadow the way Eratosthenes did so that we could measure the curvature of the earth and see that it was the same everywhere, just like a globe.

Whenever a planet was close enough to see, my parents made sure I went outside to see it and draw it. Whenever a planet was in retrograde, they didn't have me watch the news - they took me outside with my notes from the last time and had me see for myself how the planets were moving.

My dad bought me a telescope just so I could see the phases of Venus - the exact argument at the center of the persecution of Galileo, since the phases of Venus is incompatible with any pre-Coepernican model of the universe. They didn't say "f**k the pope, you're believing our side of the story" - they bought me a telescope just for that and said to see for myself. I never even used the telescope since - it really was a one-shot exercise.

And when my math was good enough to know circles and ellipses, I could see Kepler's laws for myself with my own two eyes looking at the stars. When my math was good enough to derive de Broglie's laws, I could see for myself how light waves travel. When I could derive the Lorentz transformation, Einsteiniam relativity wasn't just a theory anymore - it was fact, as solid as 2+2=4.

You see, I did my homework. And I did it in high school. There's no PhD in astrophysics here! And I've earned the certainty with which I speak because I saw it for myself, same as you could if you weren't so lazy about it.

My education did not allow for doctrine or dogma of ANY kind. If a man says it's raining and a man says it isn't, my education taught me to open a window and see for myself. And if the man who says it's raining called me a shill for the Masons, I had the right to say "No, it's definitely nice out" because I checked it myself.

What about you? Can you even begin to describe the methodology behind your model without appealing to conspiracy theory and talk about paganism? Because so far you've done a poor job of it.

I am at a loss of words. What did you study in school? And also, are you affiliated with the military or government? The way that you present information is ominous. It is as if you are 'selling' an idea or concept. It comes off as manipulative too. Someone earlier said that there are no shills here, but I am starting to wane on that idea. You said that you 'saw' for yourself. When did you see the globe for yourself? Your argument is shot. You are truly trying to coerce me here. You said that you want to understand me but that was just your doorway in. I do not trust you and I do not want to speak to you again. I said goodbye to you once already, you shall not lure me in again.Think that the Earth is a sphere. What do I give a damn? Enjoy your delusion. I'm square here. Goodbye for real. No need to reply unless you 'need' the last word, genius.