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....ummmmmmm... So?

You don't understand that star clusters outside of our galaxy should be light years away by now? Our galaxy moves at 1.3 billion miles per hour, if something is outside of our galaxy we wouldn't be able to find it after an hour much less 10 years. Do you understand? If you have any more questions, make it official. Visit me at The Official Flat Earth Globe Discussion page on Facebook. But be ready to wake up! Tell them Eric De Soto requested you.
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That's why it takes several millions of years for light to travel to us - hence the term "lightyears".

I'm still not clear on what your reasoning is here. And we're doing it here if at all, not on your Facebook page.

Now, now! We're in the presence of a fellow critical thinker. Let us be Socratic and allow him to defend his thesis. 😜

#noTrolls

Humorous to you, but I take this seriously. I don't appreciate condescending remarks and I won't accept them. This concludes our dialogue.

To Octavia_Melody, CHRISTINTELLIGENCE says:
" I don't appreciate condescending remarks and I won't accept them. This concludes our dialogue."

Allow me to help then..

If an ocean liner is moving along on a slow cruise at two knots, and if you're in a row boat drifting, say three miles away, and you can see all the festive lights on that other boat as it slowly crawls away, you will continue to witness that ocean liner for a long long TIME...

In other words, the dimensions are RELATIVE

The SPEEDS are relative..

Dipshit, CHRISTINTELLIGENCE shut you down, (Read inside the quote marks for their remark) I simply responded to them.

No insults please. This concludes our conversation.

Authoritative. Okay let me break this down. Something 'outside' of our galaxy is moving away from us not with us. For an object to move with us, it would have to be in our galaxy. You should research the various vectors and speeds at which we travel (according to Mainstream Science). If it is possible, I will post a data graphic that I have regarding the various 'speeds' of Earth, The Sun and Galaxy, etc.

This number is too big and is bogus. Nobody has ever suggested that this is the speed of anything. The speed of light is about 671 million miles per hour and nothing can move faster than that nor appear to move faster than that.

My typo is real. The speed is 1.3 million miles per hour. If you check out my latest post you will see all the speeds listed in detail. Take a gander, please. Furthermore, I haven't referred to being able to 'perceive' light from an object. What I am trying to explain is that, these 'objects' that exist outside of our galaxy are long gone. No telescope is going to pick up on an object that has been moving away from us for many centuries. Let me give you a crude example. You're in a vehicle going 140 mph. Another vehicle, moving in the opposite direction is travelling at 130 mph. Even with the best binoculars in the business, after so many miles you wouldn't know where that other vehicle was. Does that make sense? I hope so. We are supposedly in the Milky Way Galaxy travelling in the opposite direction of an object not in our galaxy. We're moving at 1.3 million miles per hour away from that object for 200 years. How many miles have we travelled? That's a lot of miles. At the end of the day, NASA faked the moon landings (it's been verified) and now everyday people are waking up from the deception. Space is fake and I was hoping that you would wake up today. Please research The Flat Earth.

There is no edge. A protective dome sits atop the Flat Earth. There is no edge, you would meet the bottom of the dome.

A rocket recently hit the dome. I do have images. I'll see what I can post today. The government has been trying to penetrate The Firmament (Dome) for ages, but to no avail. I will link you to this video. It's pretty interesting. Watch it with the volume off to truly see what is happening. https://youtu.be/4ZtXkV8jlfs

No.

If you're in a car going 140 mph, the other car is going 130: relative speed is 270mph. Speed of light is 670 million mph - way faster. It's constantly giving off light. So the light is always going to reach us.

Galaxies moving at 1.3 million miles per hour at opposite direction, 2.6 million mph relative speed. Relativity will come into play but even without that - this is still well below the speed of light. So there's no reason that our supply of their light would ever be interrupted.

The speed DOES alter the wavelength of the light as we perceive it - this is the red shift - but we'll always be able to see something no matter how long it's traveling for. Why wouldn't we?

The light is always going to reach us? Good God, that is impossible. I like how we are talking about space as if it exists. I don't want to do this anymore. I can spoon-feed you data all day long but the truth is that you must research the Flat Earth and find it on your own.

Why is it impossible for light to reach us? By what mechanism would light no longer travel from any point to us?

Again, for the 80th time, I am talking about a 'physical location' not light. Goodnight.

(You haven't presented ANY data so far! This conversation so far is just a thought experiment.)

Correct, everything is moving away from us from our perspective. This accounts for the red shift spectrum we observe when we look at other galaxies (see "The Doppler Effect).

So what?

You keep referring to 'red shift' as if you have proven it by yourself. Got any proof that it exists or are you just going to side with NASA on this one?

It's the Doppler Effect. Have you ever heard a fire truck's siren as it speeds past you? Applies to all waves. You can work out the shift in wavelength for a given speed - it's just an inverse correlation.

Dude, get her number! That's prime pillow talk material right there!

Too young is definitely eww, so good for you. But I always have time for sweet talk about the nature of our universe.

Why don't you understand? If we're moving so fast away from an object for thousands of years, how are we able to find it, track it or pinpoint it? We can't. NASA claims that we can but they have no proof of that. It is Science Fiction. And the cheap kind too! The same 'math' and 'science' that they utilize to create the 'illusion' of Outer Space has betrayed them in the long run. I am not trying to change your mind or argue, I am merely pointing out some pertinent details. We shall agree to disagree at this point so that no feelings are hurt and no unwanted emotions rise up in the process.

Light travels at roughly 186,000 miles PER SECOND. That is why, to answer your question, we are able to find it, track it and / or pinpoint it.

The other celestial bodies are moving away from us, but the divergence has NOT exceeded 186,000 miles per second, I think the current calculations for expansion are closer to 30 / 38 miles per second.. (it's been a while since i've reviewed this subject, but the point is the VAST difference between thousands of miles per second verses tens of miles per second.) )this is also the explanation of RED Shift in the visual spectrum, as the bandwidth of light is stretched, similar to the effect that occurs with sound as objects move away from us..

Frequencies.

Thanks, still waiting for proof of your claims. I like that you regurgitate Freemason Science. Now go verify their data for yourself. I'll wait.

LoL! Go find yourself any half way decent 6th grade science book and read for yourself..

TRIGGERED.

I'm sad that my suggestion that you find and read a sixth grade science book TRIGGERED you. Should I have suggested you start with a 1st Grade coloring book?

I know, I know.. you want PROOF that 1+1= 2

No one invited you or your kindergarten mentality to reply to me so please see yourself out.

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Why wouldn't we be able to track something outside our galaxy? Light can still travel to us. It's red-shifted a bit because of the speed but nobody said it's moving faster than light.

Don't cop out. I'm NOT agreeing to disagree - no way; this isn't a matter for opinion! There is a methodology here to find out one way or another what the truth is and I want to know what your reasoning is. If you believe in it enough to stand by your reasoning, lay it out.

We can go back and forth all day long. I am the minority here. But know this, 40% of people born between 1982 and 2004 know the Earth to be flat. Water doesn't stick to a spherical Earth while shooting through space like a rocket ship. Also, gravity has never been proven. You must do your FE research first before confronting one of us. I can teach you things about the Heliocentric Model that will blow your mind. And it's the model that you say is accurate! Fear God but beware, Flat Earth is coming to a neighorhood near you! Good day and God speed. #noTrolling

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Ok, I'm going to ignore your obviously bogus statistic but you still haven't presented a mechanism by which we'd be unable to observe distant objects. If you understood these things, you wouldn't need to refer me to anyone else's research - you'd be able to break it down yourself.

A ray of light can take fifty billion years to travel across galaxies but there's no reason it wouldn't reach us in the end. And we'd be looking at something fifty billion years old, but that's still something outside our galaxy that we can study and learn from.

So why wouldn't we be able to see it?

I shall appeal to your common sense. What just came out of your mouth, do you believe it? Are humans able to measure something in the 'billions' year old category? Look I get it, you think you're sharp. I do this for a living. I wake people up. I present parties with information. I have presented you with some information and all you do is combat me with more NASA jargon. You either work for them or you have a PhD is astrophysics, which is a joke either way. You don't control me. I told you that we're done. Hopefully you can respect me in that manner and let us part ways. You love space, I do not care. Enjoy your delusion. When you said that we would converse on this forum, I was submissive. Now I am saying that I am done. Respect my directive. Goodnight. I will never believe what you believe and unfortunately you won't ever wake up from your Freemason-led University pseudoscience. Toodles.

Nothing I said is at a PhD level. A strong high school student could tell you the same thing. So understand: if the depths of your professional expertise can't stand up to high school level science, what hope do you think you have against ACTUAL PhD-grade cosmologists?

There's just no way. You're not waking anybody up with that attitude.

You said you do this for a living. Does that mean you don't have a job?

Not to be that guy... but the Cavendish Experiment has been able to prove the existence of gravity. And it's not some experiment that only NASA can perform; it's an experiment that High School students can do in their garages.

Fact is, you don't hate to 'be that guy'. Lots of holes in the Cavendish Experiment and it's never been replicated so I don't know why we're talking about that. By your assumptions an asteroid moving through an asteroid belt should pick up a moon or two in the process and that has never happened. Why didn't you keep it simple? Show me where water curves around a ball spinning and tumbling through outer space at speeds unfathomable.

Rather then a real flat-earther, I am starting to think that this account is just a bad attempt at trolling.

Think what you want, it doesn't affect my life. I am a Flat Earther and I am creating content for my page. No one invited you or your snide remarks. See yourself out.

Poe's Law; could we even distinguish between the two possibilities?

On the forums at least, when people are seriously trying to discuss the theories and not debate, they on average come out more scatter brained. This guy seems to be here solely to argue, like that is his primary purpose.

That is how I see it at least; no way to know for certain.

He certainly doesn't come across as a person who's familiarized himself with the topic.