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I mean, it costs a LOT |  WHY ARE WE SPENDING ALL OF THIS MONEY DEVELOPING WEAPONS; WHEN WE CAN USE IT TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE | image tagged in memes,philosoraptor,weapons,infrastructure | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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5 ups, 10m,
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The other superpowers in the world are Russia, a corrupt and very new democracy and China, a communist country. The US is by no means without corruption, but you will find more freedom here than you ever will in the other two countries. I think a large defense budget is necessary to maintain our political strength in the world. I'd rather see savings in other places, but there is a lot of waste in the defense budget too that could be trimmed down. Take the F-35 for example, sure, it's a phenomenal weapon of war but the development of it was plagued with all kinds of problems and the production cost is insane for one unit of up to $122 million. Just cut out one plane production, and let's see what that money can do to fix all the potholes in SC roads. That is 10% of our state's direct maintenance budget. So yeah i'm with you, but defense is a huge part of our national security.
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3 ups, 10m,
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One of the big problems the US faces at the moment (as do other nations) is that too many people turn to the federal government to solve everything. People ask "why don't we spend on infrastructure, rather than defense?" But that's not even the right question. National defense is a legitimate function of a federal government...infrastructure is not.

Why?

Because the further away you get from a problem, the less able you are to deal with it effectively, and the more susceptible to waste, fraud, and cronyism you become. Let the states and municipalities deal with infrastructure...the people who live in Des Moines have a much better idea what needs to be repaired in Des Moines than the people in Washington ever could.

Think how much more effective your tax dollars are if they remain in your pocket, and you decide how they're spent, rather than filtering them through federal bureaucracies who don't know you, and have no stake in your life.

Centralization of power is the great danger that the Founders tried to forestall as much as possible.
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3 ups, 10m
Agree wholeheartedly. I wouldn't say let the feds manage it, but the funds be made available to states to use for infrastructure. But then theres a whole other bunch of issues with that too. I was just trying to answer the question as it was posed, but maybe you're right, maybe it should be a different question altogether.
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2 ups, 10m,
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Oh wow, that technically closed this whole discussion before it even started
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3 ups, 10m,
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nah, just my thoughts! what would you propose?
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2 ups, 10m,
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I don't really know! You explained it in a very sensible way, I can agree on almost everything. (P.S. Instead of developing insane planes, they should've used the money to fix plotholes)
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2 ups, 10m,
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Potholes not plotholes
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1 up, 10m,
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Oh yeah... Well, plotholes suck too
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2 ups, 10m,
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Indeed. Congratulations on 100k
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1 up, 10m,
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Thanks
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2 ups, 10m
You're welcome
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3 ups, 10m,
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If we ever use the weapons we won’t ever have to worry about infrastructure again. Simple eh?
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1 up, 10m
Humans are like cockroaches...really tough to wipe out...
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3 ups, 10m,
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Defense contractors make huge profits. A portion of those profits go back to the congressmen and women who propose and vote for big defense budgets and new spending. Some goes to their reelection campaign accounts, some goes quietly into their pockets. Reigning in defense spending to support more urgent needs will be difficult until there are presidents who are committed to the goal.
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3 ups, 10m,
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How about reigning in ALL spending? Your point isn't restricted to defense contractors.
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3 ups, 10m,
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The kid asked about weapons. I was answering his questions. But since you bring it up, the defense allotment is the largest and most outrageously oversized portion of the federal budget. If we want to pay down the deficit, or reduce taxes, or find money to do other things, that's the place to look.
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2 ups, 10m,
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You fail to understand: it's not about "finding money to do other things." That money doesn't belong to the government, to do with whatever it feels like. That money belongs to the people. You want to talk cuts? Great. Let's put EVERYTHING on the table. Dept. of Education? Waste. Dept. of Transportation? Waste. HUD? Waste. Dept. of Energy? Waste.

All unconstitutional expansions of power, at the cost of the taxpayer.

You want to cut defense? Fine. But start with that which isn't necessary FIRST. Defense IS necessary, and one of the few vital functions of the federal government. The Dept. of Education is not.

Leftists have been lying to the people for decades,promising to cut this, that, and the other thing IF we just do this first....and then those cuts never come.
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3 ups, 10m,
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LOL. I fail to understand. One of the entertaining things about this site is the number of people who assume that they're more knowledgeable and wise than the other users they chat with. But then the things you say reveal your patterns of thinking to be illogical, one-dimensional, and stale. I don't mean to be insulting. If you were exposed to some good training, you could make good and useful contributions to these conversations. Right now, you have a reputation for being a bullying troll because that's the persona you've adopted. You're smart. Why don't you use it to check yourself and plan a little self improvement? At least stop bullying the kids on this site.
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0 ups, 10m,
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You're projecting, and are now wasting your energy because you're offended that someone told you the truth. No one assumed they had more knowledge or were more wise in this conversation. I made a point...you failed to understand it. Nothing more, nothing less.

You failing to understand a specific point turns into a rant about "you think you're more knowledgeable and wise than everyone else!" because you are thin-skinned and easily offended

If you don't mean to be insulting...then don't be so easily offended. You want to help others make "good and useful" contributions to these conversations...? Get your own house in order first.

You...like many...worship the form over the substance, and so, for you, it's much, much more important to say things in a way that no one can possibly be offended, rather than speaking the unvarnished truth.

After all...you complain about people "assuming they're more knowledgeable and wise than the other users they chat with"...and then turn around and do that exact thing, assuming you are more knowledgeable and wise than someone you're chatting with, lecturing strangers you don't know on the internet about how to behave.

Physician, heal thyself.

This isn't high school. I am not concerned with my popularity, even if you are concerned with yours. You are offended. You have to decide whether your offendedness is a hill worth dying on.

Oh, and one more thing: if you're old enough to be on this site, and make snarky comments, if you're old enough to dish it out, you're old enough to take it. As they say..."don't want none, don't start none."

And your comments might be a little more valued if you stood up to the actual trolls whose only purpose is to get a rise out of others. Can't tell the difference? Here's your hint: they contribute nothing, & only make snarky comments. They're not hard to figure out.
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2 ups, 10m,
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I'm going to ignore you now, Timber1972. Athough I think you can be saved, I'm not looking for a project right now. Feel free to explain this to me in another extended reply ( :
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0 ups, 10m
Good! Learning how to deal with people and ideas that upset us by not reacting to them in a negative manner is one of the first and most important steps to becoming an adult and learning how to deal with others honestly. Good for you! That's progress!
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3 ups, 10m,
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To your point, though, there are certainly other portions of the federal budget that could stand a lot of trimming. Or much better management of use.
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2 ups, 10m,
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Indeed. All the extraneous cabinet positions and departments would be a good start. The federal government has successfully centralized power...at the cost of the people...for a century+. The states are not only perfectly capable of handling all these things, but they are far more efficient in doing so.
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3 ups, 10m,
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See? that was a good response.
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1 up, 10m
"One of the entertaining things about this site is the number of people who assume that they're more knowledgeable and wise than the other users they chat with." - heavencanwait
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