thinking fetus

and the bible also contradicts it's own "life begins at conception".
so it is not the best source to use for your argument.

Oh? Do explain.

or the biblical contradictions in regards to life and conception?

and where,exactly,should I begin?
inherited sin?
inherited corruption?
or individual failings?

or should we go right to the conception and life argument?
and in that case,which bible shall we be deriving our argument from?
I think it prudent to also ask from which theosophy are we to be engaging in?
ecclestiastical?
Calvinism?
molinism?
Gnosticism?

also,would you be so kind as to share which perspective you are coming from?hmmm?
fundamentalism?
evangelical?
liberal?
Anglican?
or some form of orthodoxy?
it is always helpful to know who I am engaging with,cut's away the rubbish.

which gospel do you follow?
liberation theology maybe?
or is it prosperity?

let me know so we can continue.
toodles.

or the biblical contradictions in regards to life and conception? YOU SAID IT CONTRADICTED ITSELF SO SHOW ME.

and where,exactly,should I begin?
inherited sin? THIS IS A QUESTION, NOT A CONTRADICTION
inherited corruption? THIS IS A QUESTION, NOT A CONTRADICTION
or individual failings? THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION AND NOT A CONTRADICTION

or should we go right to the conception and life argument? QUESTION- NOT A CONTRADICTION
and in that case,which bible shall we be deriving our argument from? NOT A CONTRADICTION EITHER
I think it prudent to also ask from which theosophy are we to be engaging in?
ecclestiastical?
Calvinism?
molinism?
Gnosticism?
STILL WAITING FOR THE CONTRADICTION
also,would you be so kind as to share which perspective you are coming from?hmmm?
fundamentalism?
evangelical?
liberal?
Anglican?
or some form of orthodoxy?
it is always helpful to know who I am engaging with,cut's away the rubbish.
STILL AWAITING A CONTRADICTION
which gospel do you follow? STILL WAITING
liberation theology maybe? STILL WAITING
or is it prosperity? FALLING ASLEEP WAITING

let me know so we can continue.
toodles.
ZZZZZZZ

you must first set the parameters of the discussion.
which is what I was doing.

your response,however,revealed all I needed to know.
thank you...
for your co-operation.

YOU stated that the Bible contradicted itself on the "LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION" and I am still waiting for the contradiction. Where is the contradiction???

so I gather not interested in original sin? just the contradiction on conception?
ok then....

first off, this is so important a theological question to an ancient society (When does life enter the body?) that it's laid out right there in Genesis:

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:7

So breath is life, and when life is breathed into the earthen vessel that is a human body, it comes alive. "A living soul" as the King James Version gives it.There's a lot of earthen vessel allusions in the bible, calling god the potter, that forms clay vessels (our bodies) into which god places our souls.

By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
Psalms 33:6

Gods breath makes everything live, because life is by definition the breath of god within living things.there are numerous more examples from ezekiel to job that Breath IS life. That first breath is when the soul enters the body, when an earthen vessel becomes alive.

And something that most people don't know is that the bible contains an abortion ritual.

The bible contains an ancient ritual designed to cause abortion. It's in Numbers 5:11-31, and it involves forcing a woman accused of adultery to drink "bitter water" designed to cause a miscarriage. Her belly will swell, and her "thigh" will rot. Thigh of course being a priestly euphemism for ones reproductive organs. It's known as the ordeal of the bitter water or the trial of jealousy, so named because it is initiated not by the woman, but by her jealous husband.

Furthermore, the bible lays out a clear punishment for those who cause an abortion outside of this ritual:

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The fine for causing an abortion is a fine of property damage, to be paid to the woman's husband.

first off, this is so important a theological question to an ancient society (When does life enter the body?) that it's laid out right there in Genesis:

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:7 THIS WAS THE FIRST MAN AND HE WAS NOT FORMED IN A WOMB

So breath is life, and when life is breathed into the earthen vessel that is a human body, it comes alive. "A living soul" as the King James Version gives it.There's a lot of earthen vessel allusions in the bible, calling god the potter, that forms clay vessels (our bodies) into which god places our souls.

By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
Psalms 33:6 THIS IS CLEARLY SPEAKING OF THE HEAVENLY HOST- STARS

Gods breath makes everything live, because life is by definition the breath of god within living things.there are numerous more examples from ezekiel to job that Breath IS life. That first breath is when the soul enters the body, when an earthen vessel becomes alive.

And something that most people don't know is that the bible contains an abortion ritual.
The bible contains an ancient ritual designed to cause abortion. It's in Numbers 5:11-31, and it involves forcing a woman accused of adultery to drink "bitter water" designed to cause a miscarriage. Her belly will swell, and her "thigh" will rot. Thigh of course being a priestly euphemism for ones reproductive organs. It's known as the ordeal of the bitter water or the trial of jealousy, so named because it is initiated not by the woman, but by her jealous husband. THIS IS NOT A CONTRADICTION

Furthermore, the bible lays out a clear punishment for those who cause an abortion outside of this ritual:

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The fine for causing an abortion is a fine of property damage, to be paid to the woman's husband.
AGAIN – THIS IS NOT A CONTRADICTION BTW – it says that if the baby dies that it’s LIFE FOR LIFE.

you asked.
I answered.
you disagree.
I don't care.

not going to go into a stupid,reductive and infantile,bullet point argument with someone who is unwilling to participate in an even exchange,and simply wants to yell,scream and throw a tantrum.

I do not know you.
I do not know your religious background.
how far you have gotten in your studies,if at all.
I have been gracious enough to take time out of my day to address your petulant demands,and you have responded like a child.

my fault for presuming that you would at least appreciate the effort,but I guess in your privileged world,gratitude is a thing other people do,but not you.

if you truly believe that the bible has no contradictions,in regards to life and conception,or otherwise.there is simply nothing more to discuss.

I bid you a good day sir.

So, here comes the name calling now. You made a claim and couldn't back it up. Where have I been ungracious or thrown a tantrum?? You had one simple task - back your claim that the Bible was contradictory on this verse I posted. You never did and you can't. These verses you presented aren't in opposition to the one I posted. I didn't ignore it but addressed every scenario you presented and now I"M THE ONE AT FAULT. Come on. Enjoy your day and BTW - you could have asked me how far I have gotten in my studies and I would have shared it with you. Let's just say that I read from the Bible every day as well as philosophy, science and history. I know that when anyone makes a claim that they should back it up. No hard feelings or animosity here. Blessings to you.

and I most certainly did ask for parameters.
this site is not conducive for extensive discussions,which is why parameters,would have made things easier.

i spent a bit of time writing my commentary.
you,however,copy-pasted and then (in all caps mind you) laid out simple sentences as somehow being a refutation.*hint* they are not.

so if you cannot understand my position,on the lack of time spent and the ALL CAPS IN EVERY RESPONSE AS ME TAKING IT AS YOU THROWING A TANTRUM,AND THEN NOT TAKING THE WHOLE FIVE MINUTES YOU SPENT ON YOUR "rebuttal" SERIOUSLY.

well,i don't know what to tell you buddy,because it is pretty obvious to me.

and maybe i was a little disappointed.on the possibility of an actual discussion in regards to original sin and contradictory biblical passages.i taught comparative religions for almost 20 years.

but..whatever.. i guess.
better luck next time right?
and yeah,no hard feelings mate.
just crossed wires is all.happens.