But That's None Of My Business

They were committed by Radicals who claim to follow Islam, but really don't. Islam doesn't condone unprovoked violence against anyone. This stops precisely no one, but the point is it isn't institutionalized.

#1 I'm an atheist but you should do more research:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." ~~~ Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (4:101) - "And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies." Mere disbelief makes one an "open" enemy of Muslims.

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony **in this world** and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." ~~~ SOOOO Peaceful ...

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal persecution with little resistance.

I could go on and on but too many prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and scream "ISLAMOPHOBIA" or something along the lines of "not ALL Muslims are violent" even though over 25% worldwide support violent jihad.

A more obvious misinterpretation I cannot find. Even Grind, or whoever the hell I last fought with over this, didn't misinterpret this bad

"Quran (2:216)"

This verse talks about how one may find something good, but it is bad and find something bad which is good and that inly god knows. Nowehere does it say, lets raid Caravans or that Violence is good. You can definitely use it to promote such a view, but that would be wilful misinterpretation

"Quran (4:101)"

It talks about there being nothing wrong with shortening your prayers if you fear Non-Muslims Disbelievers would harm you, when you know all Disbelievers around you are your enemies. Essentially, that if you fear for your life and are in danger, hurry it the f**k. The verse doesn't establish anyone not praying to God to be an open enemy, that part is probably refering to hostile powers (Bandits, vigilantes, enemy soldiers who'd kill Muslims on sight so on and so forth). Its not even the focus of the Verse

"Quran (4:104)"

It just says to be strong hearted when facing the enemy. And as you feel pain so shall they. Where exactly does it say to kill the injured?

"Quran (3:56)"

This is standard Religous dogma. If you don't follow our god you will suffer in Hell. Like seriously this is bog standard stuff. There is nothing that supports your case here.

"Quran (4:89)"

You conveniently forgot the next part.

- Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

"Sahih Bukhari (52:177)"

This part as far as I can discern is that the Muslims will have to fight the Jews in their conquests and that even the stones shall support the Muslims in their war against the Jews, which they shall win. Its relgiojs endorsement of a conflict. Whatda ya expect?

"there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion"

No no

Quran 60:8 Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. tbc

Muslims have diligently upheld to this verse acting in obedience to it and exampled by the rich traditions of Prophet Muhammad blessing on him followed by the elected Caliphs in the representative form of democracy of Islam. Coexistence of People of the book (Jews & Christians) who were at liberty to judicial their respective state affairs within for themselves was unprecedented, which led to the thriving of Jews in specific and all other religious minorities under the guardianship of Islam.

Adding to that

"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing. (Al-Anfal 8:61)"

And

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. (Al-Baqarah 2:190)"

And

"Indeed, Allah orders justice and kindness and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded. (An-Nahl 16:90)"

Very Violent these Muslims

And

"Verily! Allah commands that you should render back the trusts to those, to whom they are due; and that when you judge between men, you judge with justice. Verily, how excellent is the teaching which He (Allah) gives you! Truly, Allah is Ever All-Hearer, All-Seer. (An-Nisaa’ 4:58)"

Yes. Muslims hate Justice as God told them to hmm?

I truly pity you. You are so misguided. Yet you believe you’re enlightened and educated.
Try spending several years in a Muslim country as I have. The violence they habitually propose is astounding ... and your ilk support and excuse them.

Disgusting. Let them overrun your country and your tune will change.

Watch as a former Muslim turns atheist and is beheaded in the street. Watch as a woman is accused of adultery and is shot in the head in the public square.

You truly have no idea of what you speak. You truly have no idea of what is taught. You are an uneducated fool.

"I truly pity you. You are so misguided. Yet you believe you’re enlightened and educated."

Provides evidence that Violence is not institutionalised in Islam=Gets excused of misguidedness and over confidence.

Makes sense

"Try spending several years in a Muslim country as I have. The violence they habitually propose is astounding"

I lived in Saudi Arabia as a Teacher in a University for well over half a decade. I can personally assure you the common folk are not out to get ya!

"Disgusting. Let them overrun your country and your tune will change."

You are delusional and paranoid

"Watch as a former Muslim turns atheist and is beheaded in the street. Watch as a woman is accused of adultery and is shot in the head in the public square."

Yes while these things are very tragic, they were cartied out by conservative (In the Islamic sense) extremist elements if the religon, such found in Iran and so on. That doesn't however mean all Muslims are Extremists. As a matter of fact God commanded them to live peacefully with their Chtistian and Jewish neighbours. A ten second google search can tell you this.

"You truly have no idea of what you speak. You truly have no idea of what is taught. You are an uneducated fool."

You truly have no idea of what you speak. You truly have no idea of what is taught. You are an uneducated fool. Tight back atcha

Typical in response from an uneducated dumbass fool with ZERO experience. You should change your screen name to Neville Chamberlain. It fits.

So you are well aware of the meaning of "Radical" "Fringe" "Extremist" and "Minority"

Also, Chamberlain had some good domestic policies, he was just an utterly incompetent wartime Prime Minister and was not up to the task of combating Hitler and the Nazi threat.

So you support the death of gays under Islamic rule? Wow. You’re so tolerant.
You support the sanctioned beating of wives as outlined in the Qu’ran? Wow. You’re so progressive.

Your problem, and indeed the Left’s problem overall, is that you’ve merged Christian fundamentalism and Conservative thought so thoroughly in your mind, that ANYTHING in opposition to Christianity or Conservatism is ok in your book. I get it, I hate Christianity too, but I’m a conservative atheist. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is a fatal flaw in your overall philosophy of life and politics in this regard. It will result in your undoing.

The other problem that you and so many like you have, is that you are unwilling to spot trends. The ability to see patterns of behavior based on evidence is frightening to you. But it’s a product of our evolutionary development. You probably do you spot them, but you’re unwilling to admit it.

Islam has primarily been spread by force. Its primary means of evangelism is the sword. No one wants to live under its oppressive rule. And if you’re willing to cherry pick the few verses on charity or hospitality and ignore the verses commanding violence, death, torture, and murder, then that just means you’re blind. It also demonstrates your abject ignorance on the history of Islam and makes you no better than some sick Christian apologist using all his mental gymnastics and redefinition of words to justify slavery in the BuyBull (that’s not a typo).

You've cherry picked your Qu'ranic verses, overlooked and ignored some of the worst atrocities foisted on free societies, and you refuse to admit you're wrong.

Oh, "not ALL" of them think like that!! You'll say.

So The F**K What? Enough do to make a difference and it's embedded in their holy book on page after page after page. You don't make those types of exceptions in other areas where a "faith" has committed atrocities. That's called hypocrisy.

Personally, I am appalled at you so-called progressives that capitulate to Islamist men, and make an exception for Islam as a religion – when being (rightly) critical of Judaism and Catholicism. What is behind this hypocrisy? From where I am standing it is simple: the fear of being labelled ‘Islamophobic’.

The term "Islamophobic" originated in 1979 when Ayatollah Khomeini came to power and Muslim women went to the streets and marched to be free of the veils. Khomeini and the Islamists obliged them to wear the veil, and THEY started calling these women Islamophobic.

I cannot fathom why white liberals are more afraid of being labelled ‘Islamophobic’ than they are of giving more power to conservative Muslim men who seek to impose Islamic law on women and girls. You are creating space for hardline Muslim men to promote sharia courts, the wearing of the full-face veil, arranged marriage, female genital mutilation, and gender segregation in public places. Supporting traditional Islam flies in the face of the feminist quest for liberation from patriarchal structures.

So, when you shout, ‘Islamophobe’ at those of us that consider Islamic ‘traditions’ both totalitarian and harmful to women, you're pushing the agenda that insists on male chaperones, punishing the ‘impurity’ of women, and the need to control women’s bodies and sexuality.

You're little more than a cultural relativist.

You think you're being oh-so anti-racist but your mindless capitulation to this misogynistic and violent ideology has a detrimental effect on all people, all women, and Muslim women in particular. You're little more than a pathetic white do-gooder, giving a “shot in the arm” to the worst religious patriarchs in human history.

High Five the boys, you think you won.

"So you support the death of gays under Islamic rule"

Nope. And just like in Christianity Homosexuality is a sin. Its just in areas such as Iran, Iraq, Syria and generally in the middle east that the Islamic conservative Regimes use the Religon as a sort of Legitimization for what they are doing. Extremists and Terrorists use it to legitimize their actions. But modern Western Muslims don't do that, and even a lot of Muslims in Africa and ME, though they might discriminate against them. They (Western Muslims) read the Qoran and see that it just condemns Gays morally not to death.

"You support the sanctioned beating of wives as outlined in the Qu’ran?"

I do not. Simple as that. And any true Muslim will also not do or support that as one explains it in this article

https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/27/kind-treatment-of-wives/

"Your problem, and indeed the Left’s problem...."

Bla bla bla... no. Perhaps tis you who is in the wrong? All you see are the terror attacks and the killings and the this and the that. But you never think about WHO is doing it and WHY. The Who is simple Militant Extrimist Islamists, but the why is harder. There are various reasons, power, extrimisim, forced into it amd so on. But almost no one does it because its written in the Quran. No where is it written "Stab em' in the back" "no peace" or "Blow yourself up when possible" As previously stated the Quran promotes only self defence. Anything else is sinful

"Islam has primarily been spread by force"

Not really no. Well its not supposed to be at least. As written in the Quran and as done by the Prophet, members of other religons were not forced to convert. The Quran states that one cannot be really forced into Islam and any who force other would be sinful and as good as a Heretic. As proven in history Prophet Muhammad never prosecuted members of other religons. He forbade their harassment and guaranteed their right to continue worshiping their god. Atleast for Christians and Jews.

"No one wants to live under its oppressive rule"

I think you are mistaking Dictatorships as a Religon. Saudi Arabia, Iran and so on aren't a Dictatorship because of Religon. No where does it state that you have to live in a so and so government. Thats just dickheads taking power for themselves.

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"And if you’re willing to cherry pick the few verses on charity or hospitality and ignore the verses commanding violence, death, torture,"

There are no verses explicitly commanding that. If there are go and find them and we'll talk

"It also demonstrates your abject ignorance on the history of Islam"

No. I am well aware that Islam has had a long history of War and death. I am also aware that at one point it used to be the scientific and cultural center if the world. I have already adresse forced conversion. Its banned technically but that stops no one.

"You've cherry picked your Qu'ranic verses"

You too

"So The F**K What? Enough do to make a difference and it's embedded in their holy book on page after page after page"

No

"Personally, I am appalled at you so-called progressives that capitulate to Islamist men, and make an exception for Islam as a religion"

I do not and am offended that you accuse me so. There is enough in Islam for me to criticise and even more in its followers, but point is like Christianity or Judaism its not all bad, and promotes good. I make no exception for any religon!

"The term "Islamophobic" originated in 1979..."

Yeah the rest is just a rant of how we shouldn't weaponize words and that I have surrendered to Muslim Men who want TO RAPE OUR WOMEN AND IMPOSE SHARIA ON US AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING ELSE IS A CUCK RACE TRAITOR

More mental gymnastics and selectively interpreting verses that promote violence.

Keep on making excuses ... and using your “No True Scotsman” defense. It means your argument is all fluff.

My opinion isn’t an opinion because it’s backed with facts and data. You just ignored it and preferred your own cognitive bias. Have a shite day yourself. You’re a worthless enabler and excuser of some of the most horrific crimes against humanity since about 700 C.E. with your cute little “No True Scotsman” fallacy. Thrown any homosexuals off a roof lately?

You really should stand up because everything is going over your head little one. One day you’ll grow up and quit living in your fantasy world. The world is full of evil people, driven to do evil things because of their f**king religion. They didn’t make it up all on their own. They use their “holy books“ as an excuse to do all manner of evil against all humanity you moron. Their atrocities are committed in the name of their religion whether you want to admit it or not. There are over 30,000 documented attacks on humanity in the name of Islam just sent September 11, 2001. Religion poisons everything. But idiots like you make excuses for it and accept it because “it’s only a few radicals” as if it’s just the cost of doing business. What you fail to comprehend is that worldwide surveys show that over 25% of Muslims support violent jihad or are curiously silent when it happens. One day, hopefully, all religions and in particular is long, will be wiped out from the face of the earth.

No other religion has this much violence committed in its name. And I don’t give a rats ass about the sweet little versus you cherry pick out of all the violent passages.

Religion. Poisons. Everything.

Quit making excuses.

All I hear coming out of yer mouth is shite. So please stop talking. Your insulting Humanity with your continued efforts at saying things without backing them and ignoring what is presented to you.

Right. Sure. Ignore everything and call my Argument bullshit without backing that OPINION. Have a shite day

And it appears you're not up to combating Islam. Besides, most of the Nazis were good people, right? Right? It was only the radical fringe that wanted to gas the Jews and cook them in ovens and skin them alive to use their flesh as lamp shades. Just those few extremists ... pathetic excuse. Really pathetic.

LOL.
https://youtu.be/XCUpgZaClZA

Owned.

How about no. Those are what i would describe as the Islamic conservatives. But make no mistakes he definitely doesn't speak for all muslims. Just like one Christian or a bunch of random Christians do not represent Christianity in its fullest. Even still my pervious quotes still apply and you have yet to rebuff them. But your an American, you think with you guns and ask questions twenty years later. Its fine if you don't understand that a Religon as big as Islam or Christianity can have radicals, conservatives who follow their respective books to the letter ir atleast the parts they like, progressives who work towards advancing themselves and those around them and so on. I understand that your world view is that of black and white and i envy you for it. Your life must be so simple.