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holy-bible | IF YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST BUT YOUR OWN FEELINGS, DESIRES AND LOGIC OVERRIDE WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE THEN YOU DON'T FOLLOW CHRIST,  | image tagged in holy-bible | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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For everything in life people are supposed to use their logic and reason. But when it comes to Christianity, that's the one part of their life where they are told not to.

That makes no sense to me.
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People use faulty logic on a daily basis. If you think your logic is more valid than that of the creator of the universe, you have essentially made yourself your own god.
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I don't believe there is a creator of the universe. Such a being has never revealed himself to me.

Regardless, I'm not making myself into my own god.
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So if there is no creator of the universe, then logically speaking, the universe must have created itself, which is an impossibility. Creations don't create themselves. Your worldview is absurd.
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I said I don't believe the universe had a creator. I didn't say I didn't believe the universe exists. The universe does exist. How it came to be, I don't know. But the people who say a god made it haven't provided evidence to support their claim.

Also, you're calling the universe a creation, then saying it needed a creator. Your argument is circular because you're describing it in such a way that assumes the very thing you're trying to prove. You're begging the question, which is a logical fallacy.

Imagine if I told you that magic pixies created the universe and you said you don't believe me. Then I said "it's a pixieverse, and a pixieverse proves that magic pixies exist. If magic pixies didn't exist, how could we live in a pixieverse?"
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Science acknowledges the fact that the universe had a beginning. When something doesn't exist and then it begins to exist, that is called a creation. Again, the universe didn't create itself, as this would be logically impossible, and this is something that even secular thinkers acknowledge. But then again, they think.
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How do you know the universe can't create itself? Scientists don't have all that figured out yet. We know that since matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, they have always existed in some form or another.

I still don't know how you came to the conclusion that a god created the universe, as if the only two options are "it created itself" or "god created it", which is a false dichotomy.
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It is a logical impossibility for something to create itself.

I know God created the universe because He has revealed this to us. I don't know why you think anything you are saying is true when you have no logical justification for making any truth claims. For all you know, you could be in the Matrix, your reality could be an illusion and nothing you think you know is true. So please, be consistent with your worldview and admit that you don't know anything.
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"I know God created the universe because He has revealed this to us."

Actually you know that a book says it. Clearly you didn't see the creation of the universe so you can't say with certainty that your god did it, or any god did it. And you still haven't explained why a being like god is even necessary for the existence of the universe.

"...you have no logical justification for making any truth claims. For all you know, you could be in the Matrix, your reality could be an illusion and nothing you think you know is true."

Please. Don't pretend that you can disprove hard solipsism, because you can't. You can't prove that you aren't actually in the Matrix, or a brain in a vat, either.

"So please, be consistent with your worldview and admit that you don't know anything."

It depends on how you define knowledge. If we say knowledge is justified true belief, according to a common philosophical definition, then I know many things to a high degree of certainty. 100% certainty is not required for a claim of knowledge, or else we're back in the Matrix argument.
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If my logic overrides what's in the Bible, maybe the problem is with the Bible.
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No, the problem is in your understanding.
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Do you believe everything the Bible says? If so, you believe that all humans are wicked, evil sinners. That includes the people who wrote the Bible, and that includes you as well. If someone is a wicked, evil person, I shouldn't trust what they tell me. That means I shouldn't trust what the Bible authors wrote, which means I shouldn't trust the Bible itself, and I shouldn't trust what you tell me, either. It's entirely self-defeating.
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You have again demonstrated a misunderstanding of what the Bible teaches. You clearly haven't read it, so how are you in any position to make any truth statement about it? Completely absurd. You are the one who have defeated your own argument with your blatant display of ignorance of that which you speak of.
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So the Bible doesn't say that all humans are wicked sinners?
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It also says that we are made righteous by the sacrifice of Christ when we put faith in Him and receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The writers of the Bible were likewise filled with and inspired by God's spirit. Please educate yourself before assuming your arguments are sound.
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Guess it kind of rules out the other 99% of organized religion believers as well.
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You still worship an idol, yourself.
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No. I dont worship my self. And worshiping yourself is worse than worshiping Christ and commiting yourself to a slave- mentality?
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If you consider yourself to be the final authority of what is true, false, right and wrong, then you have made yourself your own god.
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God (a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. So humans can't be their own gods
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I guess you didn't understand the analogy.
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What Claybourne said was " And worshiping yourself is worse than worshiping Christ and commiting yourself to a slave- mentality?" you responded by saying "If you consider yourself to be the final authority of what is true, false, right and wrong, then you have made yourself your own god." what he said doesn't change the definition of the word.
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I guess you don't understand figurative language.
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Claybourne's?
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Then I guess you should find a meme that is relevant to you.
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Reading the Bible and understanding it in context are entirely different things. Work on the second one.
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The Bible does a helluva job speaking for itself, no revisionist reinterpretation required.
If you choose to deny what it states, that's on you.

Want to understand what you can't? Good, ask those who wrote it and see why their take on it is different than yours. Jews were Yahweh's Chosen, so I'd go by them, unless you are calling God a liar, in which case stop wasting your time on it.
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Again, you are displaying a lack of understanding of the context in which the Torah was written and completely ignoring the New Testament. Not the wisest approach.
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The Torah was written by whom about whom for whom?

The NT was written by the Council of Nicea for political purposes.

That's why the Chosen disregard it. As far as they and their God are concerned, it is irrelevent.
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False, it is fact that the gospels and letters in the NT were around far before the Council of Nicea. Poor research will not lead you to truth. If you care about truth and historical fact, watch this video to inform yourself. Otherwise you're doing yourself and others a disservice by spreading lies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0OTg1eM1c
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But not written till a century after the events took place, and where?

I don't do links. Have something to say, say it.

I have no time for lies.
You, however, disregarding GOD'S Words written by GOD'S Chosen for GOD'S Chosen, are.
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You clearly have no interest in doing honest research, so much so that you refuse to do something as simple as open a link in fear to discover you are wrong. The fact is that the earliest gospel was written just a decade after Jesus' death/resurrection and the rest were written only a couple of decades later, and this even secular scholars agree on. I acknowledge all of the Bible, you are the one disregarding God's word and God's son. Repent.
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"The fact is that the earliest gospel was written just a decade after Jesus' death/resurrection and the rest were written only a couple of decades later, and this even secular scholars agree on"

Actually most scholars agree that the earliest gospel was Mark and that it was written between 65-75, at least three decades after the supposed death of Jesus.
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You'll have to do better research than wikipedia. http://coldcasechristianity.com/2015/why-i-know-the-gospels-were-written-early-free-bible-insert/
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As soon as I saw the link I knew the article was going to be garbage. You criticize me for using Wikipedia as a source of information about the gospels, and you use a cold case homicide detective?

I read that article you linked me to and it was all circumstantial. Even if the gospels were written early (which the evidence doesn't support), that says nothing about whether or not they are true or accurate. It's a common misconception among Christians that if the gospels were written early, there was no time for falsehoods or misinformation to creep into the stories. That's utterly false. Falsehoods can creep into a story immediately. Look at 9/11. Within DAYS of the event, stories were being passed around that were completely false.
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The rest were written more like a century after, look at Matthew to see why his was a century or so after Jesus was supposedly born.
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Shut you, you lying blockhead. God don't like it.

Not my fault you're not one of the Chosen and thus most likely won't be one of the 144,000 of them that shall pass throught the pearly gates. Sucks, don't it?
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Looking at your comments to other people, it is clear you are a hateful and malicious person who gets off on saying mean-spirited and hurtful things to others. It seems you need the Holy Spirit to give you a new heart more than most do. You reject the one and only savior of the world and you clearly don't follow God's law, so where exactly do you expect to go when you die? Repent and change your ways before it's too late.
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I'm a cartoon, you silly buffoon. I'm a parody of you.

Tell me, which of "God's Law" do you follow?

When I die, I'll be buried in Hunter Island in the Bronx with the rest of the discarded poor, 3 to the box.
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