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Riker eyeroll | WHEN A CHINESE CITIZEN CALLS AMERICANS ETHNOCENTRIC; WHILE THE NAME "ZHONGHUA" LITERALLY TRANSLATES AS "CENTRAL RACE" | image tagged in riker eyeroll | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
1,693 views 9 upvotes Made by RobH1 5 years ago in politics
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"Ethnocentrism is the act of judging another culture based on preconceptions that are found in values and standards of one's own culture."
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And your implication is that a society who takes a direct etymological analog of the word ethnocentric as their name, is somehow not guilty of this?
It's written directly into their literature, from Sima Qian's "Record of the Historian" to Xi Jinping's "Governance of China" and nearly all points in between.
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Not even close. But nice of you to judge a whole ethnicity as a group as if race refines the way you must think.

BTW zhonghua translates to China in every use I found.
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Look again. "Zhong" is the character for "central," and "hua" is the character for race.
Did I forget to mention, wo jia zai Beijing wu nian? You're talking to someone who actually speaks the language, and your argument is "nuh uh, because Google translate said otherwise." The best part is you proved my point. "Zhonghua" is, in fact, the Chinese name for China (Zhong Guo, meaning "Central Nation," is more commonly used). In other words, the name they use for themselves is a direct, literal, translation of the words "Central Race," which is precisely what I stated in the meme. The one "judging" China here, is the Chinese themselves, who took this name for themselves.
As for "not even close," I wasn't offering an opinion. I was stating a documented, repeatedly cited fact, and was even kind enough to point you toward two of the sources in question.
It's cute how you think you're debating on equal footing here.
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"Zhong" as about 20 meanings, of which you do not like you overlooked. "Hua" has even more and I didn't find race among them However zhonhua translates into China in EVERY source that I found rather than anything else But nice of you to completely misrepresent what I said, assume my source, ignore your pretending all Chinese think the same based off of race, and personally attack me while presenting no actual citation despite calming have them. As such you argument is at because you say so with insults and ridicule to back it up.
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Oh Lordy, kid, you're hilarious.
First of all, the “citation,” which I did include, is the language itself (which, again, I speak and you don't). If I tell you “oui is French for yes,” do you need a “source” for that too?
Second, I didn't assume your source, you openly confessed you're using a translator (which would be the point where a person with half a gram of common sense would realize arguing with someone who speaks the language while you're reduced to that, already puts you in the wrong.
Third, “However zhonhua translates into China in EVERY source that I found rather than anything else.” For one thing it's “Zhong,” and for another, yes. That's the point of the meme. “Zhonghua,” the Chinese name for China (or in more common usage, for its people) is two Chinese characters. “? (zhong)”which is either “Central” or “Middle” depending how it is used, and “?(hua),” which refers to a commonly shared ethnic origin: in other words, it means "race." Whatever translator you used that told you there are "about twenty meanings" was flat out wrong. Hence, the Chinese name for “China” is “Central Race” in Chinese, which means their society is, by its own confession (a confession enshrined right into their name) built upon the most literal definition of ethnocentrism of any society in Human History.
Now kid, everyone reading this conversation gets this, except you. If the hamster between your ears can't spin the wheel at this point, then there's nothing that can be done for you. Thank you though, for entertaining me with a sublime display of both self-righteousness and ignorance.
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Those question marks are where I input the Chinese symbols and imgflip apparently can't process them.
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1),No, you did not actually include any citation, and still have not done so.

2). No, I didn't actually use a translator or admit to doing so. Also nice appeal to anonymous authority. It is irrelevant to claim authority that you cannot show exists, as anyone can do that even when it doesn't exist.

3). Repeating yourself over an over isn't actual argumentation or evidence as any one can do that. And as several races can have common ethnic origins you have offered a counter argument to you own position and you cut the word into two part to nit pick at etymology rather than try to show even one example of it meaning such in any context. You also didn't try to link it to ethnocentrism in any way as of yet, as you are not using the proper definition of ethnocentrism.

Also nice use of personal attacks based of false assumptions so you can pretend to be superior rather than actually offer any evidence. You're also dodging that you're judging an entire ethnicity as a group assuming every member must think the exact same thing, which is by definition prejudice.
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Oh lord... you don't get it, do you?
You are arguing with someone who speaks Chinese, about the meaning of a Chinese word, using translations you got from somewhere else (look at your phrasing: "in every source I checked, it means..." This is a statement that you used a translator).
As for "not using the proper definition of ethnocentrism," I am using the literal etymological roots of the word ethnocentrism, moron. "ethno" is a prefix meaning "refering to race," and "centric" is a suffix meaning "about the middle," meaning that the word's most literal definition is "belief that your race is the central one."
Finally, "assuming every member must think the same thing?" I am not talking about an individual Chinese citizen, as I've made plain multiple times.
The Chinese word, that means "China," is the Chinese character for "central," and the Chinese character for "race." Ergo, it is the Chinese belief (not "this Chinese guy's belief or that Chinese guy's belief, but an assertion hardwired into the Chinese language itself) that the Chinese race is "central" and all others are outliers. This is not me being judgmental, this is me (viz a viz, one who speaks Mandarin) informing you (viz, one who does not) what is written right into a language you clearly do not speak. The one "judging" is you, with the assumption that I was speaking based on an individual, the mistaken assumption that I was proceeding from as ill-informed a position as yourself (such as needing to check a translator for the meaning of a Chinese word and then arguing about its meaning with someone who speaks Mandarin once you find something that tells you what it is).
From there, you have devolved into "logical fallacy" semantics. Let me clear this up for you too. This stopped being a debate the moment it became clear you were arguing about the meaning of a Chinese word while having to get an outside source to tell you the meanings of Chinese words and phrases because you can't speak it yourself while simultaneously trying to high-handedly tout your "moral superiority" using allegations every one of which has been repeatedly shredded. From that point forward it was nothing more than me mocking you. The only problem is you can't even grasp the mockery.
Ethnocentrism is, ergo, hardwired right into the Chinese language itself, as is visible in the use of the name "Central Race" for themselves, rendering allegations of ethnocentrism hypocritical and invalid.
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The meme, which you laughably tried to rebut by proving (remember your "nuh-uh! Zhonghua doesn't mean 'Central Race,' it means 'China' " moment?) points this out by a character rolling his eyes at allegations of ethnocentrism coming from someone whose mother tongue has this ethnocentrism hardwired into it by naming the race who coined that language a name whose characters mean "Central Race."
To one who lacks knowledge (yourself), knowledge appears as prejudice.
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So you admit not using to not actually using the actual definition of ethnocentrism and managed to prove yourself wrong by your own words by doing so. Seems quit likely you are doing so not both words and I have seen nothing to show you are not doing the same with zhonghua.

Also far the only evidence you have given me to support your own arguments if an self referencing appeal to irrelevant authority or basically asking me to take your word for it, without offering any real evidence. I've seem English speakers try basically the same things with English words so even speaking the language doesn't make you right. And given that you failed to use the proper definition of ethnocentrism and resort to blatant personal attacks instead of offering any actual evidence it could be the case you are doing the same here..

I cannot tell if you actually know what you are speaking of or have no clue at all as on the internet you have no way of showing demonstrating such personal knowledge and have offered not a shred of evidence to support yourself other than insults and claiming to know better.

So citation still needed.
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I have never laughed this hard in my life, kid. You have disproven your own arguments so many times that I almost feel a pang of sympathy for you.
I don't give language lessons for free. You want a "citation?" Shell out 450 RMB an hour for a few Chinese lessons (oh, and the textbook's your job to purchase, not mine).
As for "admitting to not using the right definition of ethnocentrism," No. I admit you're not using the right definition. I'm using the direct and literal application of the root words themselves.
Cheery-o, rodent, and thank you for providing hours of laughter.
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So you are not going to give anything other than personal attacks to support yourself and keep intentionally using a non-definition of ethnocentrism (which looks like you could be doing for both words) instead of the actual definition. While I have given a dictionary definition you have intentionally made one up by ignoring the way the word is actually used and what it means to play etymology games.

Given your direct and intentional use etymological fallacy so you can ignore what a English word actually means I have no reason to take your word over the meaning of zhonghua in every dictionary I checked.

So your complaint in the meme is basically making stuff up so you can ignore what was actually said, making a strawman, and then using racism to assume that the person that called you out must think so you can focus on that instead. And of course then using personal attack to cover your massive deficiencies in basic reason.
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